From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Dec 26 12:45:18 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:57:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J7d7t-0001xe-OU for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:45:17 -0800 Received: from express.cec.wustl.edu ([128.252.21.16]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J7d7k-0001vG-QM for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:45:17 -0800 Received: from hive.cec.wustl.edu (hive.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.14]) by express.cec.wustl.edu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQKimdL011105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:44:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from hive.cec.wustl.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hive.cec.wustl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBQKimjw003238; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:44:48 -0600 Received: from localhost (adam@localhost) by hive.cec.wustl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id lBQKimD5003235; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:44:48 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: hive.cec.wustl.edu: adam owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:44:48 -0600 (CST) From: "Adam D. Lopresto" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: nitcu le denpa lerfu fi ma In-Reply-To: <925d17560712261220m1a3a5a7ft98f7037b5b4aeccf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <20071225195037.f1affe0bd44gssgs@webmail.ixkey.info> <96f789a60712260624x6587b05r12e8f47670a497@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560712260720h79a85a40ldf662246410cbdcb@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60712260744r14fd1c39of2c8729000d721e0@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560712260754o2e6b28a6p4e412e1e6809e19d@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60712260856o1f283b81ma8c640e5779a546c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560712260922q26dd6069r4eb8b60b60ad7c8d@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60712261013k36624c44m8685ee8a6f32ffb7@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560712261026k1617e941nee01e2d0d41d115c@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60712261136q415cc5caw3a54a200711f30fe@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560712261220m1a3a5a7ft98f7037b5b4aeccf@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-58716651-1982804544-1198701888=:32047" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. X-archive-position: 52 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: adam@pubcrawler.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ---58716651-1982804544-1198701888=:32047 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by express.cec.wustl.edu id lBQKimdL011105 On Wed, 26 Dec 2007, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote: > On Dec 26, 2007 4:36 PM, Michael Turniansky wro= te: > > > > No, no, you misunderstand me... there is no pause between "jai" and > > "reicnz", but there was BEFORE jai .... since lojban does not need a = pause > > after the closing quote-word (or ANY word, except of course if it end= s in a > > consonant (or any other spot the grammar requires it)) the pause befo= re > > gyrations would be "heard" as "close quote-reicns" which would theref= ore be > > ungrammatical, since a cmevla couldn't appear in that position. >=20 > But that's not right. It is not enough to hear the sounds "j" "a" "i" > in a row in > order to know that you have heard the word {jai}. In order to know that= you > have the word {jai} those sounds must be either followed by a pause, by > another cmavo or by a brivla. If they are followed by anything else, yo= u don't > have the word {jai}. You have either the beginning of a cmevla or the > beginning of a non-word string, neither of which can be the closing > delimiter. So you're saying that you can use {jai} as a delimiter for {jairaicn}, bu= t not for {jairadno}. That seems very likely to cause errors, even in care= ful use. --=20 Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ 'You are a very fine person, Mr Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!' 'Thank goodness!' said Bilbo laughing, and handed him the tobacco-jar. ---58716651-1982804544-1198701888=:32047--