From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 28 10:21:23 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J8Jpj-0003nW-8E for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:21:23 -0800 Received: from web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J8Jpb-0003mh-Fq for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:21:23 -0800 Received: (qmail 45185 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2007 16:34:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=AEfWBspA+dA1r3k2AP49kwy8iU/DRQmVyT4GcxcMuObw/ej41bJx5cqKlaAxCR9ASGbAFaFRpCqKLfiPBjQyvldBd6BJ5C2aFo8tn0FMyBGO6tbZIjkJwxzOzgMbDhZO5J2q75B1dXzH3QR5zlQ0h0yuLLmpahCDnUenHxkFjvY=; X-YMail-OSG: 0izKy0MVM1lpQHUYY9XyicBPa0_cq5WsSXIY2jOVN9OUTAUrNsmLSKn1v5v6PB7xtRPdll0LpQ-- Received: from [99.229.12.248] by web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:34:27 PST Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:34:27 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Politics To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Message-ID: <967877.44763.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 74 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ----- Original Message ---- From: Penguino To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 12:27:17 AM Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Politics polˇiˇtics, n. (used with a sing. or pl. v.) 3. political affairs: The advocated reforms have become embroiled in politics. You suggest {jecyra'a} for this one - but I'm not sure why. {ra'a} is the rafsi for {srana} which means 'pertains/concerns'??? 8. play politics. a. to engage in political intrigue, take advantage of a political situation or issue, resort to partisan politics, etc.; exploit a political system or political relationships. b. to deal with people in an opportunistic, manipulative, or devious way, as for job advancement. These two are the ones that I was particularly interested in. Any suggestions? On Dec 28, 2007 12:17 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: Is anyone prepared to offer a new word for 'politics'? The only words I've encountered so far are {lo jecta srana} and {lo girvlici'e}. Neither seem to be quite right. Obviously, there are two kinds of politics. The narrow definition refers to the state, the broader to groups ( e.g. the office} in general. In both cases, we seem to be talking about activity-to-increase-power. mu'o mi'e andrus