From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 21 08:40:10 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:40:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J5kuw-0003fq-8L for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:40:10 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.186]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J5kuo-0003eJ-L5 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:40:09 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b22so281118rvf.46 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:40:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=iDgODiR29++yVORDfMlu3/k7alxULnbLpVDcS7L0ztA=; b=gtgPUu0ctgiM590OV4ynsu0du8ApbJXfVGkYj8eOV0H2nLi8EQB53ec1NH6rVuacnpWG1PYSzBvPzj6p8Y82GcUzI9+A7VveViRtqfic6UoXvvjYPNXRSwCos0GL3EQx42ZsPhg47jNM1bl0ZTDVM203Qs7Wssglylcw0dfoYGQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=O96SR9hN9+1AZOpWlig7BDK8BUSjCxkY9k0gFBePWUUtWzeP2HtO0LPhxLtQ6D62yB3OvTNrT3KLmyHexAB8GdXd+sPwF8ckDuJSbB0Sn2oCR0VRLAXIKGrVXhzDEP/KYnE05aIeg89mwUSOwE/3RY+ebsd8sUKczisc9YOlGPM= Received: by 10.141.163.12 with SMTP id q12mr842838rvo.260.1198254790037; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:33:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.202.21 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:33:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <96f789a60712210833k4324e582l51fcef2560ba3c8b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:33:09 -0500 From: "Michael Turniansky" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Correction please In-Reply-To: <925d17560712210749i7b9bc220j687f5175d6ca230d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_748_1903991.1198254790010" References: <2f91285f0712210307i4aad2c31jc98c7b95fbb566f0@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560712210658w7edb9d37ub6fadd555c850e13@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60712210718t2d387139pc1297defd995ff8e@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560712210749i7b9bc220j687f5175d6ca230d@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 9 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_748_1903991.1198254790010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Dec 21, 2007 10:49 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Dec 21, 2007 12:18 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > > On Dec 21, 2007 9:58 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > > > > > lo nu cirla zbasu cu du'i gi selylarcu gi selsaske > > > Cheesmaking is equally an art and a science. > > > > (you meant ge for the first gi, but otherwise your answers are > functionally > > identical to mine ;-) > > No, it's {gi} there. {du'i gi} is a forethought connective like {ge}. > I suffered from two problems here: 1) I didn't notice the "du'i". 2) I have rarely seen the giBAI broda gi brode used (although I see it is in th= e CLL Chapter 9, section 8 (ex. 8.2, 8.3) I'm not sure how this reads. Is it in fact exactly semantically equivalent to "lo nu cirla zbasu cu selylarcu du'i lo nu selsaske"? > > {du'i ge ... gi ...} is also grammatical, but in that case {du'i} works a= s > a > selbri tcita, not a connective, like {na} in {na ge ... gi ... }. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > > ------=_Part_748_1903991.1198254790010 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On Dec 21, 2007 10:49 AM, Jorge Llamb=ED= as <jjllambias@gmail.com>= wrote:
On Dec 21, 2007 12:18 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:> On Dec 21, 2007 9:58 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas < jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  lo nu cirla zbasu cu du'i gi selylarcu gi selsaske=
> >  Cheesmaking is equally an art and a science.
>>  (you meant ge for the first gi, but otherwise your answers are = functionally
> identical to mine ;-)

No, it's {gi} there. {du= 9;i gi} is a forethought connective like {ge}.

&nb= sp; I suffered from two problems here: 1) I didn't notice the "du&= #39;i".  2)  I have rarely seen the giBAI  broda gi bro= de used (although I see it is in the CLL  Chapter 9, section 8 (ex.=20 8.2, 8.3)  I'm not sure how this reads.  Is it in fact exactl= y semantically equivalent to "lo nu cirla zbasu cu selylarcu du'i = lo nu selsaske"?

{du'i ge ... gi ...} is also grammatical, but in that case {du'= i} works as a
selbri tcita, not a connective, like {na} in {na ge ... gi= ... }.

mu'o mi'e xorx= es




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