From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jan 04 05:23:39 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:23:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JAmWQ-0004nU-Rg for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:23:39 -0800 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.156]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JAmWM-0004n5-SN for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:23:38 -0800 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so3231143fga.0 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:23:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=fpSAo1F0Zbo05PL01m1XbHVmObMCz+oU0/i98o2cd70=; b=lrTvkNT4l1eaUTsiCnBO4B0NQhjDWlneGmobjOnJhQIkOtAovFGlK+j9CLSnDeXh+Qw1mgFJERbXgvGHUjr4BuBQCjspxfp9Gjhms5BIrje4XGDEYnzs+47f8pagi03PKwpsCL00Xi5RuyC8Gb7SH5yIpTXdTNnvFFPOjMid+fc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BhFMU4DFMfulUZ1hyS0ZqyfK4tC86H25I4/fl2TaiYgWtnWwsq3OYZgJyVDZrqqP50aAEvAsJMT/7nF0UQOgt4WfYd4w6tDznm/VtOuhRVQrLyaw/kOtVfaM6JEgYzo65onkB1/VlYtkOxGx8vzIbR1lwJDKpdNvEjR8mFP+KS8= Received: by 10.86.53.8 with SMTP id b8mr8018713fga.64.1199453013344; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.1.11 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 05:23:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560801040523y4b74ad7bk234a77fcc8f0cdd9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:23:33 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: .uinainai?? In-Reply-To: <20080103222837.9e6eaa7z4k0sggw8@webmail.ixkey.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080103222837.9e6eaa7z4k0sggw8@webmail.ixkey.info> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 143 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 1/4/08, mungojelly@ixkey.info wrote: > I just got this question from krilltish on the livejournal Cniglic community: > > > Also, if [-nai] means negaing, opposite (equivalent to Esperanto [mal-]), > > would [.uinainai] still mean "happy" or just mean "the opposite of unhappy"? > > pe'u. ko .io spuda Isn't "happy" the opposite of "unhappy"? > I can explain a little in general about Lojban negation & the roles of > zo nai, but I don't know what happens if you put two nais after .ui > like that?! {uinainai} is currently ungrammatical, the allowed positions for {nai} are more restricted than one would imagine. But if it were grammatical (as I think it should be) I wouldn't expect it to mean something very different from plain {ui}. Perhaps with a connotation that it is a happiness counter to an expectation of unhappiness. mu'o mi'e xorxes