From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jan 05 05:52:48 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JB9S7-0001zk-2y for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:52:47 -0800 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JB9Rs-0001z7-WB for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:52:40 -0800 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3819ACE79B for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 08:52:18 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: towns and countries Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 08:52:11 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <2027931199527204@webmail39.yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <2027931199527204@webmail39.yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200801050852.13064.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 155 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Saturday 05 January 2008 05:00, Мария Карманова wrote: > Hello! > > My name is Mari, I study lojban since December. But English is my third > language after Russian and German, so I have a question: when I lojbanize a > name of a country or a town, what pronounsation schould i use as base? For > example, Moscow can be la moskou., but when I translate from Russian it can > be la moskwAs. And Russia: la racas. or la rosIas? For Moscow, I say {la moskov}. Russia could be {lo rukygu'e}, {la rukygug}, or {la ruk}. Belarus is {la blabruk}, from {blabi rusko}; the initial "b" is retained because a cmevla cannot begin with "la". Germany has generally been called {la daitclant} (it can't begin with "doi" either), but I suggest {la dotclant} because the gismu is {dotco}. {moskou} is a fu'ivla {mosKO,u} ("ou" is not a diphthong in Lojban) and {moskwAs} is invalid because "w" is not used in Lojban. Pierre