From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jan 15 03:42:25 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:42:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JEkBV-0007S5-D8 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:42:25 -0800 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JEkBR-0007Rs-DB for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:42:25 -0800 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so2474032fga.0 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:42:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=DPn5An86L1zBrSQ3kjgCtuYtND6//7NGRHePsji8mxk=; b=MjduTZod2feZlpH1DlVxvDmr4Szfka6kkTtbEn+3oP1MrFTcRmCyP5gVrzqBA4uH4C18/VwIWs3FX9yaws5pTn2776pco9op1ALJAru/z0EktPUSdfqY+6+kFuBXmoBG43CaKltOE59gaZSxvEiu3XkdASX6Q8PC0CZSiglYbOI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Yn9PJJZQMWjG8yQaEBcdCvR2K0Pafyq0rhDsmhc2PT+a1TH77NyFof1ybSdq9rNNimMXQmOt09kcj9/TJCc8cRPpZs26n4rOZeJBUqre/jyYr2/nwNoHz4M7xC+q1LoQPHIYIIgeng3TGjpCREz9HbK/p6q8tL9LlRcbDB4q3ps= Received: by 10.86.60.15 with SMTP id i15mr7335030fga.9.1200397339392; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:42:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.59.4 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:42:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560801150342l1c1d74ccqde0e50e80c296ea4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:42:19 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: letter names over phone In-Reply-To: <737b61f30801141325s525b42d3g232788f1be1ccb4c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30801141325s525b42d3g232788f1be1ccb4c@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 235 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 1/14/08, Chris Capel wrote: > In Spanish the letters b and v are *pronounced* identically, so even > in person they must be differentiated if context doesn't make them > unambiguous (often by saying "be grande" and "ve chica"). In Spain they call them "be" and "uve". In Argentina we call them "be larga" and "ve corta". So they need to be distinguished, but there is no uniform way to do it. "w" and "y" also may have different names: "doble ve", "uve doble", "ye", "i griega". >And off > topic, does anyone know how you pronounced accented letters when > spelling out spanish words? They are not pronounced differently. My last name has an accented "i", so when I spell it out I say: "elle a eme be i a ese, con acento en la i". Sometimes "doble ele" instead of "elle". mu'o mi'e xorxes