From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jan 16 04:18:19 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:18:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JF7Dm-0000S0-Aj for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:18:19 -0800 Received: from michael.checkpoint.com ([194.29.32.68]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JF7De-0000Ri-6Q for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:18:16 -0800 Received: from MBP.checkpoint.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by michael.checkpoint.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id m0GCIBP8021261 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:18:11 +0200 (IST) Message-Id: From: Yoav Nir To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <478DF40B.1010002@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: cmevla-final apostrophe Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:18:01 +0200 References: <2f91285f0801160353m205ab989u5dfbc58f51a4e39b@mail.gmail.com> <437C9DCF-6631-47D8-AB42-F6895B3390B9@gmail.com> <478DF40B.1010002@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 12 X-Spam-Bar: + X-archive-position: 253 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: yoav.nir@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners I agree. And that's why I would like to understand the rationale for adding the apostrophe before saying whether I'm for it or against it. The apostrophe is not quite as absurd as the comma, because it is pronounced. So {la meri'} would sound different from {la meri}, but close enough to be a far better approximation than {la meris} I'm lucky enough that my name ends with a consonant. My wife and daughter, though, are not, and I have the idea of modifying their names. On Jan 16, 2008, at 2:09 PM, Elmo Todurov wrote: > Yoav Nir wrote: >> I have no problem with that, but it's not a regular consonant. >> I'm all for allowing anything that would better align lojban names >> with a person's real name (in their native language). But how does >> the apostrophe help? How would you pronounce it? >> As Elmo said, why not allow also the comma? I think that's very >> useful, as then we can have {la meri,} which is closer to "Mary" >> then {la meiris} > Vice versa. I tried to produce an absurd analogy. "," is syllable/ > diphtong separator. It's pretty nonsensical (IMHO) to try to > separate something from something which does not exist. > > The pause is exactly the same kind of nonsense -- you have to add a > pause after a name anyway, so adding TWO pauses would be .. well, > nonsense. > > >