From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jan 27 16:26:13 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:26:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JJHpF-0002LF-IL for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:26:13 -0800 Received: from squid17.laughingsquid.net ([72.32.93.144]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JJHpB-0002Kd-72 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:26:13 -0800 Received: (qmail 20860 invoked by uid 48); 27 Jan 2008 16:25:59 -0800 Received: from c-75-68-233-37.hsd1.vt.comcast.net (c-75-68-233-37.hsd1.vt.comcast.net [75.68.233.37]) by webmail.ixkey.info (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:25:59 -0800 Message-ID: <20080127162559.ruwfkejty0cs4g8s@webmail.ixkey.info> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:25:59 -0800 From: mungojelly@ixkey.info To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo fu'e .e zo fu'o References: <20080113181320.g23v4ke00ksos8oc@webmail.ixkey.info> <12d58c160801150843v6ddc2d25kea9ce69c22fc1c0f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) X-Spam-Score: 1.8 X-Spam-Score-Int: 18 X-Spam-Bar: + X-archive-position: 299 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mungojelly@ixkey.info Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Quoting "Adam D. Lopresto" : >> .i mi klama lo zarci .e fu'e lo panka fu'o .ui >> > (I'm happy about going to the park.) >> >> Not sure how this would be different from the shorter {mi klama lo zarci .e >> lo panka .ui} or {mi klama lo zarci .e lo .ui panka} > > Well, it's different from {mi klama lo zarci .e lo panka .ui}, because the > {.ui} is modifying the entire sumti ({lo panka}) instead of just the selbri > there ({panka}). Subtle difference, but real. It's the same (effectively) > as {mi klama lo zarci .e lo .ui panka} and {mi klama lo zarci .e lo panka ku > .ui} The difference might seem a little less subtle if we consider the case of a tanru: .i mi klama lo melbi .ui panka .i mi klama lo melbi panka .ui .i mi klama lo .ui melbi panka .i mi klama fu'e lo melbi panka fu'o .ui In every case the fu'e-fu'o version is [fu'e] quite clear [fu'o.ui]. I'm going to start using fu'e-fu'o more in Cniglic, where it's really necessary without all the other disambiguation of Lojban to draw on. :) mu'o mi'e la mungodjelis. no'u la bret.