From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Apr 03 09:12:26 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JhS37-0003jl-Ih for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:12:25 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.157]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JhS2h-0003iI-6t for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:12:25 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so2886473fga.0 for ; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:11:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=4P4QsLmp56p1O/s5Zled6j+sKbpkIXp4qyLgCz9F3qc=; b=oyKedWrFD0iCdMXUrGVNSlg+PYfXUarJeWtdGm5+tARFMP1DwYhgNaNxc3omUL8fwhLCSIYS/4s8VNJVgotbNyNoC8Pv2z4A49rTqF4IzazjPs2yvjyYvWNqBDcjcLgIQ/qRDQG99Vqrpf3yDnT5plzV93BZCgL8uecSuKnbuvg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rm5RY79SmXeVGFU5IUDNoxPIf8RCZ7xxRHD5r5w482a+bF98glsqrsOlkXNy6aSgzStUISh82vSPAB8CoHHwJgzxKUQdmMBeRSAI5g/TiItDZJcQlMQwUiXlEetWUTW93YC/qiIPXXnkTuW2lXt5hvXbskpXgPCpv7eXz994AyI= Received: by 10.82.166.9 with SMTP id o9mr26364958bue.32.1207239114387; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.33.18 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 09:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560804030911p6142d127pe8e63923cb466c24@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:11:49 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "You better!" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 454 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 4/3/08, David Cortesi wrote: > > So then: lojban equivalent? It's an imperative, {ko} will be involved. Or maybe an attitudinal from the e-series. > It refers to the prior utterance, {la'edi'u} is coming. Or {go'i}. ... > Which doesn't leave me, at least, any closer to the pungency of "You > bettah!" Maybe some idioms can't be translated at all, let alone > tersely. Doesn't "you better" also have a sense of threat, with an impicit "or else" or "if you know what's good for you"? How about {.e'u le'o}? mi cusku lu mi do prami li'u .i do cusku lu e'u le'o li'u .i mi cusku lu mi do nitcu li'u .i do krixa lu .e'u le'o li'u BTW, this is the example I had proposed for {e'u nai} in .e'u nai (UI*1) Attitudinal. Used to dissuade / warn / disadvise. (cf. kajde, o'i) .e'u nai do kargau le moklu You better not open your mouth. mu'o mi'e xorxes