From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Apr 17 08:08:00 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JmViR-0003OQ-QT for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:08:00 -0700 Received: from owlserv1.mail.rice.edu ([128.42.58.120]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JmViK-0003O7-6h for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:07:59 -0700 Received: by owlserv1.mail.rice.edu (Postfix, from userid 20515) id 9E9F613414; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:07:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from netscaler2.rice.edu (netscaler2.rice.edu [128.42.206.5]) by webmail.mail.rice.edu (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:07:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1208444870.480767c66c097@webmail.mail.rice.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:07:50 -0500 From: mls1@rice.edu To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: using {gletu} as a swear word References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: -0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 502 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mls1@rice.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Quoting MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com: > > > > On Apr 16, 2008, at 6:19 PM, mls1@rice.edu wrote: > > > > Supposing someone were rather irritated at someone else, and wanted > > > > to say > > > > something along the lines of {ko cliva gi'e gletu ko le'o}. If they > > > > were more > > > > irritated, they may want something a little faster to say. Would {ko > > > > livgle ko} > > > > carry a similar effect? What else might be stronger? [snip] > The whole idea of using "gletu" in this context misses the point. The > English phrase means "stop bothering me, go away and leave me alone", but in > a > vulgar sense. "Gletu" carries none of this meaning. I had thought part of the meaning in the English phrase was "Go away and do something I'm almost certain you really really don't want to do. I am commanding you to do it anyway because I'm angry at you and want you to have severe discomfort." If that were the case, {gletu} might very well be a command for them. For some people, it might not be, but if the vast majority of people a speaker interacts with would not find that to be a good action to perform on themselves, it would not be a bad assumption that some irritating person found might also dislike it as well. Is there some other command to fill in that function? I suppose the speaker could tell the person to die, but that might be a little harsh. Either that, or not harsh enough, depending on circumstances. mu'omi'e .skaryzgik.