From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Apr 17 12:35:08 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JmZsx-0003kb-Vy for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:35:08 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.230]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JmZst-0003j7-NJ for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:35:07 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so208216wra.1 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:34:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=uaUaW8x8aH0xWeVT56G8FSH+QqFms0612UqVCUn1Ue8=; b=iqmJMimy73utXFKL1TitSKVQTjGlH+Ss11RF+l8dUrx1h0hYZB5FOdYvE6RA/yQF8OpuDaZ1TIgQ8zcS/MtKTqM2Zt2al/VgTTkJPuLu1Q7UG0wEeiPzHflWiaPRl9h/zDkO5bunhoZzsC5jX7itLLWkoCRFo0Xnx+TK8vd1P1M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DiU2xAVrilc7bX5nkWdnGMLNqU4HecxDFKMM6AMXks6+QrYnmDsMNtwFqwOpXt3NFdWcY+0MPT2f6TulL5CP4bTQk/E/mGVpxoDfjazYsycE6KkaFZ6dk3r/zLVqL876zdN3mOKV9KRb2/9gMiDv+HFWWgczVoDmZRbD6oYhnj8= Received: by 10.114.180.1 with SMTP id c1mr2016672waf.121.1208460899020; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.136.19 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0804171234v3161f0a5p8d6b31ce2ff96cee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:34:58 +0200 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: angry conversations In-Reply-To: <1208399998.4806b87eacb4d@webmail.mail.rice.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <702226df0804152051h2170775bq87c5e53cdbd70872@mail.gmail.com> <1208384370.48067b72ae640@webmail.mail.rice.edu> <4E4C61ED-B8E9-4C61-AF38-69F0C31E7126@gmail.com> <1208399998.4806b87eacb4d@webmail.mail.rice.edu> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 504 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:39 AM, wrote: > Would {ko vu gletu pe'a ko} vaguely approach working? > > Attitudinals are awesome, but they're also difficult to translate. > > mu'omi'e .skaryzgik. How about these ones: {ko ko fusra .oinai}, {.a'icu'i do co'a fusra}, {loi morsi ko cimni vikmi}, {.iidai.u'i mi do mo'u vikmi}, {ba'acu'i mi jai festi do .uunai}, {doi bebyvi'o do .ei canci}, {ga'icai do tolvai jurme zasti}... etc. The idea of {gletu} isn't necessarily derogative; for some, {mi mi gletu} can be even a pleasant imagination. mu'o mi'e tijlan