From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon May 26 04:11:13 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 26 May 2008 04:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0abh-00074x-JQ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 04:11:13 -0700 Received: from cpe-071-075-215-096.carolina.res.rr.com ([71.75.215.96] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0abL-00073W-1i for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 04:11:13 -0700 Received: from chausie (chausie.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4745CEA68 for ; Mon, 26 May 2008 07:10:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Yitzik asks his first questions Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 07:10:32 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <119C0B344EF0448ABD8F47C56483A7E5@Cohen2> In-Reply-To: <119C0B344EF0448ABD8F47C56483A7E5@Cohen2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200805260710.33691.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 2.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 22 X-Spam-Bar: ++ X-archive-position: 584 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Monday 26 May 2008 04:50, I.Penzev wrote: > coi rodo > mi'e .itsik. .i mi xabju le vurgu'e .i mi puzi co'a cilre fi la lojban. coi .itsik. > I'd like to ask a couple of questions concerning Lojban grammar usage. > If I understand correctly, ti botpi loi birje means 'this is a bottle of > beer'. How should I say 'I bought a bottle of beer'? mi pu terve'u lo botpi > be loi birje ? Yes (though "lo birje" would work just as well). > I'd like also to know cliches for such structures as > - 'I've got a new car'/'I've got a wife and two children'; mi ponse lo cnino karce .i mi se fetspe gi'e se panzi reda The car is citno if it was just made; it's cnino if you just got it. jbovlaste and jbofi'e disagree on the place structure of "fetspe". > - 'There is a book on the table'; da cukta ga'u le jubme .i lo cukta cu cpana le jubme "ga'u" means "above"; I didn't find a preposition or tense marker meaning "on". > - 'Let us go for a short walk'. .e'u mi'o ze'i dzuli'u mu'omi'e .pier.