From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon May 26 11:11:39 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 26 May 2008 11:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0hAZ-0006ge-Lq for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 11:11:39 -0700 Received: from web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.194]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0hAP-0006fX-Rb for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 11:11:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 28896 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2008 18:11:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=VIUEH4n88caPi7L3QnCvYq1AsuohpnWp52ojbSrkJ5WUrh5YNPvNF8+Dv4d/QL48jMgL50nSvJBb+Hw+V1EYnhPh6NFCKHyMq57O598bL1mPZcrRQp6IJuhjPbutlWFM2lNbJSYJGS+VAOu9WDIFXEkqSZKphIXLP8w7++NG53A=; X-YMail-OSG: FtN2eQEVM1mD4VqfBsUpQqQ1oZIlSg7rWBQTxD.GY2HRWI2iZSZ10xj7nMLBb3V4Z4eDcy99XaTDLx45fn2j2auXoDmYSPIAa9eZLg-- Received: from [99.229.22.193] by web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 May 2008 11:11:22 PDT Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:11:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Agriculture and fisheries To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Message-ID: <180242.28881.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 599 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Of course, that seems obvious now.  I guess I got thrown by 'showing' as opposed to 'having'.  Taken literally, the official definition implies that if the common properties are not visible, then you can't use {girzu}. mu'o mi'e andrus ----- Original Message ---- > From: Michael Turniansky > To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 1:06:07 PM > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Agriculture and fisheries > > On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 9:38 AM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > > > > The problem I have with {se girzu} is that I don't understand the English > > definition.  What on Earth does '...showing common property (ka) x2...' > > mean? > > > >   It means what makes them a group?  What do they have in common?  tu > girzu lo ka vofli cipni -- "That's a flock of flying birds" ("that is > a group which share  a property of being flying birds") > >   (I have more of a problem with the X3 and 4 part, myself. > >             --gejyspa