From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jun 29 08:54:00 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCzE0-0003CZ-Id for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:54:00 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.157]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCzDv-0003Bu-8K for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:54:00 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so552554fga.0 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:53:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=NLE4ieTCoT8iCWF0TMTeB45EjQ9/FF/zmTptXg8JGRY=; b=xaI5XGpkc1Jrob4cP+d9QHTqyk3pvFzg+AIygMt9HkcQiYy7wwMVJRHtdSWw7efVSI 4AMl8F8xN+Mc/S+djRkwSmOE5pFXh8ODlX3AuH4HNRqb+QuirWSjT1SmBZzimSqV62rV 9B4ef0XQwxzwRx+V4JmD/yF2mW6fLMfpuNJfw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=BkirRv7t3XMUZ5+GZZcJRvV04+PB5HN2RzKP6eoO8dkdIoW61TLBZuWlKIcFHYC8+0 6QmnwV0nun43EzBzMjGHmi/vnrrkgWRSDPXu2qn0NhXqnwPDYZIglOdHvw1CRUqSmehJ Qm8VaUJieZa02g/ysf+q2FChfg2BOb2O9qylk= Received: by 10.86.68.20 with SMTP id q20mr4954627fga.2.1214754833844; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.89.11 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560806290853j190af87aje814a5b4e20e4de9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:53:53 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: gusni In-Reply-To: <737b61f30806290823v7d7a425cx4d4ce779d1988e47@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30806281941u76166d1fka128ea064874c681@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560806290658j1080fdfer4f36f1914d7d00ad@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30806290823v7d7a425cx4d4ce779d1988e47@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 662 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Chris Capel wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Jorge Llambías wrote: > >> But that doesn't seem to add anything. > > Well, that's what I'm trying to get at. It seems a bit redundant when > you actually put it in there, but without it, to me, the sentence > seems a bit vague. "which is lit by things making up a line hanging > from the ceiling". What things? We can infer that they're some sort of > light source, but it's odd to need to infer that. If we had an independent word for "lamp", it could make sense to use it, but if the only available word is just "thing that emits light", then specifying that the things that emit light are things that emit light doesn't do much. What's the difference between: ti se gusni fi so'i da and: ti se gusni fi so'i te gusni mu'o mi'e xorxes