From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jul 20 10:52:14 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KKd4w-0004aJ-8L for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:52:14 -0700 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.175]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KKd4s-0004a0-PU for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:52:14 -0700 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so750098wfg.25 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:52:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=2BAsJnymPLoX14+HDdAM4NHMXHtSO81vLLSg/YSeWLI=; b=mBp0AXzYjdLPV11i4PswZZuMUxBfPU7QaSofG8dWP08OlR8H7vmsuch4pF6qeV9+TW 5dbo2bxEUf+Fi+OeBFj+4j16qvtbzrX1DJi6+KnItQAWnj9Qa21eLrBjwQ8TrwkGKBMs /vwAVgpFviA4k7wWCdJD/nxUd0J9+0LxxFreY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=QtqqDpZKPATZii7H/qEcV5BfFVLTeS5EGkHA3S2iKWNkzUCkQJynVTwjeBM7l6j/P9 Ye2dz1/jI8OYJC223ry3EW1kCCfNGBYydYB3DU0q5dul4MYSjd4XqSQR+CYDz1ZD+Hs7 +vV4X52MDFmwLGUBPz1bDT2GODhyKPVHmzpMc= Received: by 10.142.148.10 with SMTP id v10mr952089wfd.317.1216576329687; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.207.5 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f30807201052j7414343cx814d9a3d4ae29e91@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:52:09 -0500 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: modals and references In-Reply-To: <48836991.4090809@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48836991.4090809@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 685 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:36, peter hering wrote: > jboski finds the following sentence satisfactory: > mi puzi mo'u cu tinju'i le snavei cukta me'e la'o gy confessions of an > economic hitman gy fi'e la djan.perkins. It parses fine because modals aren't picky about where they go, and all modals have the same grammar. BTW, what's that "cu" for? It causes "puzi mo'u" to attach to the bridi, while I would have thought you'd want it to attach to the selbri, but I know I'm a bit confused on tags and such. > Is this the correct use of the modals me'e and fi'e? My intention is to say > that the books title is 'Confessions of an Economic Hitman' and that the > book's author is John Perkins. I'm not sure, but probably you want a {be ... bei ... be'o} here after {cukta}. In fact, you probably don't even need the modals, since cukta's x3 is the author and its x2 could probably be filled with the title. mi puzi mo'u cu tinju'i le snavei cukta be la'o gy confessions of an economic hitman gy bei la djan.perkins. be'o Or you could use a {be} clause and keep the modals, it's up to you. The {be}-clause attaches directly to the selbri {cukta}, which puts it inside the sumti. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet)