From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jul 22 06:29:48 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KLHw4-00058D-8W for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:29:48 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.155]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KLHvx-00057k-7e for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:29:48 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so909915fga.0 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:29:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=r9ZCMwCIJp32bbVQ9aWuqkaXhNl3POLljX5TQoUwrGk=; b=SgRdY8eRu5PMhJ6ZdDvX7y++1kOYY6qN4oZmzp9urdvt5wEocc45O86kMWSMrSpy36 X+sj8n/tlGS7u/lYSfOQOmdM4PuY2R82Io1HYeEKzO4Y4C0uodPX/l8xlp7r92jRJb2U Kn7YvB1DAgAjdzcZSxkHja0tbe1+8r1CBW/Ac= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=HmeVV3QHmLHY9KfHmLalg2Kbcs1LYRCb9+xEVPIBdiqZl6dC0gq/I26UiWOfFOpCND mvnEHTnpx5A3bczNe5E64HDW+jIHiFEDHbvUwJ/1JIKGjmBgv+COpiOxUrIiwvN119D7 W1G7xei+pTFiPqtlHbp4lI5EUZHix76y50Si0= Received: by 10.86.95.20 with SMTP id s20mr5146758fgb.49.1216733379517; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.28.10 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560807220629m32d0ae9eld1ac1acbc2d3af94@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:29:39 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: ke'a In-Reply-To: <96f789a60807220548r3f94b667w5ec9a5a2af89c762@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0807211642n258bb4d2t9a98c9589c037c60@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160807211705p6cdd29bcocc5d537a3e91cc3f@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160807211720o16c7ab0dn7f6a066b0c9486d2@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560807211731r55d2acbcw2d3a3098f1a0775b@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560807211735hb755883rfcdb56e118a0aa7e@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160807211801y5e0652e5wa868adf6e9b2c80c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560807220522q6283b3d9ja3c2719107c3a8b0@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60807220548r3f94b667w5ec9a5a2af89c762@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 705 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 7/22/08, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > > > lo nanmu poi mi viska ro lo karce poi ke'a vecnu ke'a > > The man who I saw all the cars he sold. > > > > In English, there is a logically equivalent reversed version: > > > > The man who sold only those cars I saw. > > > > But in Lojban we don't have a restricted quantifier "only", so > > we don't seem to have that option. > > lo nanmu poi ke'a vecnu ro lo po'o karce poi mi viska ke'a > ? The "ro" is wrong, because I might have seen some other car he didn't sell. And the po'o says that he didn't sell _anything_ besides the cars I saw, but what we need to say is that he didn't sell _any car_ besides the ones I saw. He might have sold other things. mu'o mi'e xorxes