From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jul 22 11:00:21 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KLM9s-00006X-4d for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:00:20 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KLM9l-0008VZ-1E for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:00:20 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so970036fga.0 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:00:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=RVD+ADbmbBvLUOE9PvSmxipoLNU1ETJHUye/10jbERE=; b=v3wFTI3/in5UTeS4KqC+2NMuMH49pEFAjBqqR6xUV/A8xwT2Cs8Up8vp+ycUCdv6Ac kQsv68ybL1qHNCnvnLW01GM4e6h9rQf5IJXbFRvRnA6jIb+wmEOuywNJ421D7Hgu4gjT UQOX9TIwU4hpg4frFxY39OjSGNHStd2dlypOo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=OL5shQAdR0DozANtDhr/jLf/WOICr+quukcqsgtcqAnJ55HnPlHtzI+YD/CKkze+6K iGbQPh/UINezzZOVd6HxiMIV2HGGqw0N4T40UPPGdTD+EVZNzu/jKsKLIkPiTRJkAJC0 Kq1hs8R018/4iX3ciekAweSles2RTanOmbkAc= Received: by 10.86.23.17 with SMTP id 17mr6637233fgw.44.1216749610903; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.28.10 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560807221100y6de75a3ep38d488b7c6aa4d1a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:00:10 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: ke'a In-Reply-To: <96f789a60807220944g64b25921hb301ef3936e7e052@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0807211642n258bb4d2t9a98c9589c037c60@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560807211731r55d2acbcw2d3a3098f1a0775b@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560807211735hb755883rfcdb56e118a0aa7e@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160807211801y5e0652e5wa868adf6e9b2c80c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560807220522q6283b3d9ja3c2719107c3a8b0@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60807220548r3f94b667w5ec9a5a2af89c762@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560807220629m32d0ae9eld1ac1acbc2d3af94@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60807220812o6e1e7e00jf26a0c79d24c85@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560807220924k4a67e3aejd2bd64867a4b16ba@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60807220944g64b25921hb301ef3936e7e052@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 709 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 7/22/08, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > > Well, I think we'll have to disagree on this point. To me "poi > po'o" means "restricted solely to". OK, but that is not what {po'o} normally does. The usual function of {po'o} is to indicate that the thing it marks is the only one that applies. > Without the po'o there, we > already are restricting the set ("the cars that were seen by me" as > opposed to using noi, which would not restrict it), but adding the > po'o at this point inthe utterance adds exclusivity as well. Without {po'o} we could restrict it further. For example: {lo karce poi mi viska ke'a zi'e poi do ponse ke'a}. With {poi po'o} (as I understand it) that would not make sense. I could say: {lo karce poi po'onai mi viska ke'a zi'e poi ji'a do ponse ke'a}: "the cars not only that I see but also that you own". mu'o mi'e xorxes