From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Aug 21 06:52:13 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KWAaC-0001q8-82 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:52:13 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.155]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KWAa3-0001pV-F8 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:52:11 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so6539fga.0 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:52:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=JD24rZbdaH3U0gcNbCai/PQNCh8vkJwFswAGc2JLtRs=; b=k7lXb46ezix2C3K1hdx25tmPBgC5AZeoh8Qe0z+cxpIfIynPzWvV/26+k88DvdDMnd d089WEqysKxLfTzQOZqZ9InrA/kvotx4ToimWg1QgX0+EnRecq0g1hEFw3XDXIOtRKEw Cnl+Qln/WmDvv/qAnMiteH3WZfGeoohJag9QY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=XYVO02ddXhG8ViZU5jEfD3han9TU5bQ1lkyenH0dfJDhOQfZ4FRr5hzAzxVwRpeDuN WupWfNw4+oh3xYinXK2KmDpZrlcCsUUmuJWJ4UswFpekE17dwW11y7yFhwze3GfWvvfA UVVcLiRZV8FNQ3GoHs/l5aVfIuxQ9r5imMRps= Received: by 10.86.80.17 with SMTP id d17mr1135958fgb.47.1219326721717; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.89.11 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560808210652x267c7436y2944ea74088e80d0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:52:01 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Ingersoll's creed - laboriously In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 830 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/20/08, David Cortesi wrote: > OK, this is Robert Ingersoll's creed: > > [1] Happiness is the only good. > [2] The time to be happy is now. > [3] The place to be happy is here. > [4] The way to be happy is to help make others so. > > [1] lo za'i jmive gleki cu po'o sucta xamgu That says happiness is nothing but good, not that nothing but happiness is good. You want {po'o} to mark happiness, not good. "Only happiness is good". Or, for a predicate meaning "x1 is the only one with property x2 among x3", there's {se steci}, so you could also say: lo nu gleki cu se steci lo ka xamgu (I think adding {jmive} and {sucta} actually makes it weaker, but that may be just me.) > Next problem: "now" as a sumti. {.i za'i jmive gleki fe tcika fa > caca'o} can't be right... No, and neither can {caku} or {caca'oku} be put into a numbered slot. They are terms, but free floating ones. Also, {caku} isn't strictly "now", it can just as well be "then" or "at the time", "at that time". "Here and now" is {nauku}. But like {caku} it's a free term, not a sumti for the x1 of {tcika}. Another way to do "the time to be happy" is {lo jai ca gleki}. This also has direct parallels for "the place to be happy" and "the way to be happy" as {lo jai bu'u gleki} and {lo jai ta'i gleki}. So my version might be: .i lo nu gleki cu se steci lo ka xamgu .i lo jai ca gleki cu me la'e zo nau .i lo jai bu'u gleki cu me la'e zo nau .i lo jai ta'i gleki cu nu sidju lo drata lo nu gleki Or with {co'e} instead of the last {gleki}. mu'o mi'e xorxes