From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Aug 28 07:03:56 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KYi6O-0001NJ-FA for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:03:56 -0700 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.245]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KYi6H-0001Mk-Rv for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:03:56 -0700 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so359205rvf.46 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:03:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=JFT9QzPSj2nSSwSh0twTOXGOJAhT+T51sYq360MMj/o=; b=DPGG3AAyyKHUa+BONu9clje/yXYb13B+ffrG0VyrQZ2fVdrMEgTsbaBJYwVmGBtvOz WhUp3zuq4xXRFBPAb29Ud8dVcbMglTwdXzFd/zgEpf3VtMkwBoGzKYwLbXEwuw07MXTV kIHDmAHPAxgMRSBHXiyU4Mdk+TVf8jV+IPXng= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=L87H7jv0NQkb9+I7jgVqUwPvd+zboshPSOMNfscp5Fl4k4IZf3vAijRrbzOWIxJVE7 z1WLW7cwmPW4NHHh4dBceqwH6UoH8s7ueAHmlGdMhmijYh6fxRJmIEGJHFwxsuPjTKbV NUdonqZfHCz2iME/1IsJo3NnAsymfc8Hr7gw8= Received: by 10.140.199.3 with SMTP id w3mr775015rvf.16.1219932228953; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.179.16 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <96f789a60808280703r361b41f5j53ae3e4a1309f62b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:03:48 -0400 From: "Michael Turniansky" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: la rokci kabri ku noi lisri (Rock Cup, a story) In-Reply-To: <16d9defd0808271618n5c391e59jb032e55d98d0beca@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <16d9defd0808251520tbcf73c8o15a5e5d67886df17@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60808270702iee2bc0aybfa17f9db821a3a8@mail.gmail.com> <16d9defd0808271618n5c391e59jb032e55d98d0beca@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 850 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 7:18 PM, chris kerr wrote: > In your last example, could the {tu'a} come before the {fi}? No. tu'a is in the same cmavo class as "la'e". It has to come immediately before a sumti (or pro-sumti), and in turn the resulting expression is still a sumti "tu'a X" -> "something about X". "fi" marks a sumti as coming in the third place in a bridi. "fi X" is not a sumti, more like a tagged sumti, so can't be further marked. --gejyspa > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> >> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 6:20 PM, chris kerr >> wrote: >> > mi ckire tu'a lo lisri xe ctuca vau .ui.a'a >> > >> >> coi, Chris. One small thing. The second sumti of "ckire" is who >> you are appreciative towards. Since it's rather difficult to show >> gratitude to a story, you want that in the X3 place (what you are >> grateful about). So you need to say either "mi ckire do tu'a li >> lisri..." or "mi ckire zo'e tu'a lo lisri..." or "mi ckire zi'o tu'a >> lo lisri...." or "mi ckire fi tu'a lo lisri....", etc. >> >