From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Aug 28 19:37:00 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KYtrA-0001sp-2g for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:37:00 -0700 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.158]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KYtr7-0001sC-Bz for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:37:00 -0700 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so384345yxp.46 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:36:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=A7kSx1RV1/Y7ngFkRjsOut45keTa6l0MDYRMl24FS4s=; b=P9C/jAhkCSopyJRk4r2M3PN2+8DnqmNJ4sGsLLl8sFrZRrPi/weK7eDcOpxoK2h2KE Rc9K5Ncquzs7REk/pQAVilpCTHLkqAIoc5vHFQWA8RU4xcl0qxTTnVj6vkRLNq9z+VSy wIESwxhcXDQijz+SCaehjtEIIeI4oNLIrVc+U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=YGxGZySI8IoD7ygnuH5m1tt8P6t37+Uv+NZhwoUY9MOuZyRkQIIV9CJGcdkMIodbgc MuygVEUObYGQmQ6GYO/8iv6d9XKMqXuEmgh/OJvIvIioNfhkdhQ5OKnAHLomHDoOjBc2 1f7f5f7MW2tAe3fAR8roN38fNr9Xbb0FwrAHk= Received: by 10.151.100.17 with SMTP id c17mr3323416ybm.2.1219977016771; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.199.20 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f30808281930s59be382x7cdee9558201837e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:30:16 -0500 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: la rokci kabri ku noi lisri (Rock Cup, a story) In-Reply-To: <96f789a60808280703r361b41f5j53ae3e4a1309f62b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <16d9defd0808251520tbcf73c8o15a5e5d67886df17@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60808270702iee2bc0aybfa17f9db821a3a8@mail.gmail.com> <16d9defd0808271618n5c391e59jb032e55d98d0beca@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60808280703r361b41f5j53ae3e4a1309f62b@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 853 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 09:03, Michael Turniansky wrote: > "fi X" is not > a sumti, more like a tagged sumti, so can't be further marked. Insofar as a "sumti tag" is a grammatical construct, you can either have a tag in that place, or a FA, according to the grammar: term-1 <- sumti / ( !gek !selbri (tag / FA-clause free*) (sumti / KU-clause? free*) ) / termset / NA-clause KU-clause free* Technically, this would mean FA isn't a tag, it just has the same grammar as a tag before a sumti, but that distinction is probably splitting hairs in most contexts (this one included). (Interestingly, {broda fiku lo brode} is grammatical. No reason for it not to be, I guess.) Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet)