From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Oct 03 15:20:07 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Klt0J-0000ng-IS for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:20:07 -0700 Received: from mail-gx0-f19.google.com ([209.85.217.19]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Klt0H-0000m5-5T for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:20:07 -0700 Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so3554265gxk.10 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:19:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=/c+/8q6GHIx6QovopIFcvMklyENAMlPmr2qvmA4xn8E=; b=qJGH6OxHOMurK9tbqy8lgQfbsaYJL4U6mcYONVgJG01K3uR/NvlprTN7gfaxnxudOK zLwZYV9v5qUjNhUYt0t2nkLbKTleUjCDnSoD2YjcTaFtJeQBpCiPyLHzNtDvPsLAsWWx yK6K5BK53xzy5uPWM6HsPFso1G4nfMrf3m6BY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=LMyh9FGpVPAdbJtFirUWtnfJW4EOQhC80te2svLhM7u6t/+EFWsantTw38CGNbJm/a npJ+nsgeKcsDkqgaD46z8ibVntNvdzlsXm4jxe8q29BOgQINfcuuUHrrANEzFiDyAton UEjIsPmZuNpeIOtb2EJwlNiakncMQJ9TdHAJ0= Received: by 10.90.96.15 with SMTP id t15mr1990876agb.8.1223072398765; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.82.9 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <95b2fb130810031519q7551f625j79bb0ba4a618242@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:19:58 -0500 From: "H. Felton" To: "Lojban Beginners" Subject: [lojban-beginners] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 1.3 X-Spam-Score-Int: 13 X-Spam-Bar: + X-archive-position: 909 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fagricipni@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners I called myself an on-again, off-again Lojbanist. I first studied Lojban in 2001, and have been off again for some time. I remember quite a bit of the grammatical mechanisms, even if I have to look up the actual cmavo for them. However, I am having trouble translating one construction in English to Lojban that I should remember. pei la saras. mo do (Difficulties in _translation_ to English were discussed in recent message of mine, but I know what it means.) [New Speaker]: lo* se rirni be pendo be mi be'o be'o I think this means "child of my friend". I think that "be" is the cmavo used to attach a new brivla to modify the first brivla _and_ specify some of the sumti of the new brivla, but I am not sure this means what I want it to mean *I'm not sure about that "lo", the changes in the gadri are something I am still uncertain about, but I need to think about that a little while longer before I can ask for clarification.