From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Oct 06 09:08:24 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KmsdE-0006Jc-6e for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:08:24 -0700 Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com ([72.14.246.247]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kmsd6-0006J5-6l for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:08:24 -0700 Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 23so2207526agd.7 for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:08:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=WCcLmOfZ/3PHD+ba45CdCiYl5b0oiK8913kFNwYCfKU=; b=E33kCbSutT/5+xLGNmzwe+QM/Zu+iJjehXBhM3iIbjTdLzJIi0wgTW87eRWFhThO17 GLasbwVr5klIL8MzLEOLJ5ArThkHb1hYHWC4CMkRBgA6eG9nG/r/sWmZ9DVsT1cBSF31 PxMIXKIKhZfWeoK+5+S495c4CClIm9zh3CsLQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=o0a+nGsDiVZCzTCfDmkZdIV5pVtpFqhgSM9c2UCnkM55MW0ddS22k1VcP1dwYi2f9u 1Mc+Cke3bae/JEjZ8L1SsNaZfr82yZrp061xQVKD/r3A2vD7WgFB82NzBuX8m2XB+UaM OEp3YQ9My0Cj/EYev0Vy5ohVtNucYO06t4xAY= Received: by 10.90.97.18 with SMTP id u18mr5925241agb.82.1223309294711; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.82.9 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <95b2fb130810060908m76a08c7bu3dcf3c16307496cf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:08:14 -0400 From: "H. Felton" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: User interfacing in Lojban.. In-Reply-To: <48E7C137.8000100@scarlet.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48E7AD62.4010307@finagle.org> <48E7C137.8000100@scarlet.be> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 916 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fagricipni@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 10/4/08, Killian De Volder wrote: > Steve Sloan wrote: > > > 2) What the computer does when the user presses it ("Apply", "Search") > > > > > > For 2), for instance, you can't just say "Sisku" on the button, as that > > > (as > > > I understand it) means "Look, a search/something searches!" which makes > > > no > > > sense in context. Would the button read "ko sisku" ("Hey you, > > > Search!")? > > > > I think {sisku} would be fine, as most UI labels are already ambiguous as > > to the actor. For example, "Get Mail" and "Print" are actions for the > > application to perform, but "Write" and "Reply" are actions the user wants > > to perform. You could add {ko}/{mi}, but that would probably just make > > things more confusing: is {mi} the user, or the application? So, "sisku" _can_ mean "ko sisku"? If not, then the user interface dialog could end with "doi skami [ko sisku] [ko basti]". The reason for not including the "doi skami" in the button itself is so that it can reasonably apply to a list of commands. > How about omitting the mi / ko ? Making it unspecified, doing EXACTLY what > you want: > doing the same as what we read now in English, the short labels are > ambiguous. > > I REALLY don't get the UI discussion issue. > The complain is: it's not clear who the subject is ... aren't we trying to > obtain that (ambiguously) ? > And if you do want to show the actor, it's usually the program who is acting > (so ko). > A single "ok" choice je'e would be correct: "Yes I read the message you." > But in case of a multi option je'e would be very confusing. (As Steve > explained)