From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Oct 29 10:32:45 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KvEuT-00075m-Pr for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:32:45 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.157]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KvEuJ-00074S-EP for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:32:45 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so123511fga.0 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:32:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=ue046F/GqGp2fsaWq28Y1PEaPajACbJn5eqbS0tT+k4=; b=SQ2OzqGbVVKDPlIM7V53AosUDbcguRkJidZPm66/ZYs+1ERp9v0dsDIbtkcTr+3qQJ JcIkjV9PN131diGlDqwL7s+b8KWxxvlB4OYgwrZWwwdDEn0Piwn03fmCI4iTYn25qh3P L5GkAXDa2hhrYaz38poXa6EEbL5qlCmpHiFIo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=iOvzxnylsI5Sl3fk4WRTdWrwOwY3Q1zijrRcsIBwMs+0VobgCpgMx52atQsVhimv+f ueTYIEo0nLYvuX/KTO4T7H/fo/H0x0o7KsPlR0P7GkTsALJRhUah/5j7YD71mSHmD8t0 1/9mXrth/B4OtTx8qoUCyV5LYPkyAtbLbvf0I= Received: by 10.181.239.17 with SMTP id q17mr2474544bkr.175.1225301553419; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.181.47.2 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4de8c3930810291032h602e1fadu54c27862d2e73fef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:32:33 +0100 From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Musical Tense MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 22f5a40a45ec5770 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 955 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners I slightly wonder whether music should be considered in terms other than of time (e.g. ZI), like space (e.g. VA) or something else. Example: "The song begins with the vocal; then the strings gradually develops; and, just before the strings reach its first climax, there kick in the drums." Audio-wise, the sequence occurs along the time axis. But, notation-wise, it can also be spatially mapped out. There is an interesting spacetime tense word {vi'e} but it is used only for interval. I would like to hear your thoughts on how Lojban should deconstruct such musical tense as in "there come in the drums". mu'o mi'e tijlan