From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Oct 30 03:06:24 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KvUQ4-0006b2-1s for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:06:24 -0700 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KvUPy-0006aT-Sz for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:06:24 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 29so889878ugc.36 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:06:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=Cos7IRYgwJcjv5GlH3mdDTHCtK9CiiRUmTibEfbRK7k=; b=HITh0B6KY2AvQEy+bi476bKOVinEPNO+W25Bla/KjEoWdYldmWl7vp1cJyFKU7jqEG PJx1s4Cq7jVAryqpMktR02TTnHpvjQo9beUIlZOLw/P1N2nn6NNgfCG78JF4pX5H8bX3 h2cOesHhswU89qOiEVIlJM+T1A5FqFk+hwVw8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=wKnObvEo97Yh+XigkN2Oa85WNtTXQc2It349mWQzbXcaQJ/as30WI4Cc5YfINTib1x jIONEMqzr1jKYS/Y9udHuXM7OCLuOzMFfG8l5PeyC1dLdRUvoLjmNnyLWtyCeSmfA6iF LD+efwofdUKKnU1Rs1W6wA9fxdfA9RZqpqtGY= Received: by 10.103.189.15 with SMTP id r15mr4758764mup.135.1225361176046; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.199.18 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4de8c3930810300306n47492b21idcedb42dc39cafc2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:06:16 +0100 From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: vocabulary In-Reply-To: <7c91612c0810292037i44d1bfa4ie8f0e674bdd8d008@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7c91612c0810292037i44d1bfa4ie8f0e674bdd8d008@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: af313c5642d54c7c X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 965 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners There are some flash card solutions. I personally find jMemorize greatly helpful. http://www.lojban.com/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=jMemorize+instructions&bl I began learning Lojban about a year and 8 months ago; within some 3 months I managed to memorize virtually all gismu for the first time, except some mathematical ones like {picti}. After a few interval I forgot many of them, but I continued plodding through the word list with the software. By the last summer my competence had increased to the point where I could read a long text without relying too much on the dictionary (the word list) except for some shortened lujvo (compound words). This may also be helpful to the beginner: http://jbotcan.org/clixra (flash cards with pictures, still incomplete though) As to the cmavo, I have learned most of what I need of them as I studied the CLL (Complete Lojban Language), since they, unlike gismu, each have particular grammatical properties that are crucial in their individual usage. I find that you don't really need to memorize the exact place structure for every word, especially for the purpose of reading. For many of them are intuitive enough and can be figured out from the context. The attitudinals (the likes of {u'i}) have been not particularly easy but enjoyable part for me. Some useful ones of these you can learn by, like Elmo suggested, hanging in the IRC. 2008/10/30 Lakshmi Ravi Narayan : > i am 3 days into learning lojban and have no problem with the grammar (i am > a computer programmer and scripter of sorts) but i dont know how to proceed > with learning words and their meanings. is there an effective way to gain > vocabulary? what did other students find helpful? > thanks, > lakshmi ravi narayan >