From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Nov 11 20:44:20 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:44:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L07aW-0002O9-RU for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:44:20 -0800 Received: from col0-omc4-s15.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.217]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L07aU-0002O1-16 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:44:20 -0800 Received: from COL102-W59 ([65.55.34.201]) by col0-omc4-s15.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:44:11 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a0c7f88a-a231-4950-b52f-a655fc2d1c36_" X-Originating-IP: [67.174.107.126] From: M CHILDS To: Subject: [lojban-beginners] la/le Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:44:11 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200811112253.01102.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <71550650811111530v3febc4a1t30b7f69427cdbde1@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560811111631s588c211ds6a248e0a6b63cd69@mail.gmail.com> <200811112253.01102.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2008 04:44:11.0334 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E62D660:01C94481] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1009 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: m_chi919@msn.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --_a0c7f88a-a231-4950-b52f-a655fc2d1c36_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm still having trouble understanding la and le... so for instance ninmu is a selbri and le would be a sumti le ninmu and the structure of ninmu is x1 is a woman so for the distinction between THE and A? and why is someone's name x1 =3D la? and why are le and la necessary if they are place holders for the object=2C= when the selbri describes that object? _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious emai= l. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safe= ty_112008= --_a0c7f88a-a231-4950-b52f-a655fc2d1c36_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm still having trouble understanding la and le... so for instance

= ninmu is a selbri
and le would be a sumti

le ninmu

and the structure of ninmu is
=3Bx1 is a woman

so for the distinction between THE and A?
and why is someone's name x1 =3D la?

and why are le and la necessary= if they are place holders for the object=2C when the selbri describes that= object?

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