From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Nov 13 22:11:14 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L0rti-00030q-NM for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:11:14 -0800 Received: from web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.200.108]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L0rtg-00030c-CC for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:11:14 -0800 Received: (qmail 55040 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 06:11:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=hkHLT8tYSu/WS70n/46LnjjO40+KevtHMvfHY+hAgsM+LdH+YnKL17Evgp+PWR36fJgEyOZdKoTUnuQDUOFKXXkmM/CeZ5b3I85FaE1cQQhpSTGR/M2JQoQzK4Cb+rDPwnsRUekrEIQ1c1JM3pPmOpLrRlxUlOUC+xdBZ32ZOSs=; X-YMail-OSG: GxiBYsQVM1n4JJLQM601pMl4cym4fLdT8WuoZDOXzTQdgEDv2lRhlrEl3XzFD5z74pIR9KDJWMt9esDIyLteqhD.8iBUx9o0JNO0jrErn4e.mD1ZtJpQyegCqGbMGiT5HYZRFxz9Z.YpnycG4kNqCXH3a85H4xafi.q1Cy0F6.KHm_pW8r6hRD7FbxxX Received: from [84.195.57.199] by web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:11:06 PST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:11:06 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gysel Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: And more le and lo To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <12d58c160811131457p29d971f5y197e6909fdf79426@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-749432586-1226643066=:54528" Message-ID: <755834.54528.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1042 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: to_mu1975@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-749432586-1226643066=:54528 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, is there any example which we can think of, in which we want to express= =20 something unspecific =E1nd something that doesn't have to fit the descripti= on? Could we come up with such an example? And how would we express it in lojban? Tom Gysel Goudensterstraat 85 9000 Gent 0474 26 07 04 www.TomTao.be --- On Thu, 11/13/08, komfo,amonan wrote: From: komfo,amonan Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: And more le and lo To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 11:57 PM On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Tom Gysel wrote: Since 'le' carries the requirement of having a specific thing in mind, and = 'lo' has to refer to something which really fits the description, which gad= ri (or any other solution) would we use for ' a dog' in the sentence: ' a d= og attacked me last night'? (bearing in mind that it was dark and so maybe = it was a dog, or a wolf, or any other doglike creature.) This might be a good time to point out that {gerku} is not limited to Canis= lupus familiaris, but rather refers generally to canines. So you wouldn't = necessarily need to qualify any further in this instance. That being said, = something like {lo gerku=A0la'a sai ca lo prulamcte cu gunta mi} would prob= ably do the trick. Then again, the better option might be {le gerku ...}, b= ecause you are describing it as a dog, and are not 100% certain. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan =0A=0A=0A --0-749432586-1226643066=:54528 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So, is there any example which we can think o= f, in which we want to express
something unspecific =E1nd something tha= t doesn't have to fit the description? Could we come up with such an exampl= e?
And how would we express it in lojban?

Tom Gysel
Goudensterstraat 85
9000 Gent
0474 26 07 04
www.TomTao.be

--- On Thu, 11/13/08, komfo,amonan <komfoamon= an@gmail.com> wrote:
From: komfo,amo= nan <komfoamonan@gmail.com>
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: And mo= re le and lo
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Date: Thursday, November= 13, 2008, 11:57 PM

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Tom Gysel <to_mu19= 75@yahoo.com> wrote:
Si= nce 'le' carries the requirement of having a specific thing in mind, and 'l= o' has to refer to something which really fits the description, which gadri= (or any other solution) would we use for ' a dog' in the sentence: ' a dog= attacked me last night'? (bearing in mind that it was dark and so maybe it= was a dog, or a wolf, or any other doglike creature.)

This might be a good = time to point out that {gerku} is not limited to Canis lupus familiaris, bu= t rather refers generally to canines. So you wouldn't necessarily need to q= ualify any further in this instance. That being said, something like {lo ge= rku la'a sai ca lo prulamcte cu gunta mi} would probably do the trick.= Then again, the better option might be {le gerku ...}, because you are des= cribing it as a dog, and are not 100% certain.

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan


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