From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Nov 25 05:04:33 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:04:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L4xai-0002Un-Ns for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:04:33 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.244]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L4xag-0002Uf-Dv for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:04:32 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so2864249rvf.46 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:04:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Exjp8sispfUJLQvh+CechM9l041yR44Mn5JZchOglaI=; b=qaPxgxu9mZ6dOstRo3IdsAqpjMK32iZ/2RsHEwF0gD8H5SO7sT6r/tt5czM/idOIUK 3+yvnZ6RsTlAmxlAziXWJM7by5zwsPcF109zhnLUoxreu7CRidASyqR5kGtdgHB2XWjz DKXijNFbujb0ZXbp1u0ezgRpo0WjxDY4yuZWI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=kMO0AbVuibVJrtcknLp8MlG5tAT0zTGS83Pr3SdjLQdZHMtoi8Adtr8Q0wb6gxFKaS BswJZC8pxXLCe8hcD4XLMQf65w0WgdPcd7E3okfDB+zZ8SSchqIJ7upzdMdWwLgDSqH/ YBy0GZqEJJDL0hnH0v2KyRLYPu69E7AhpMToU= Received: by 10.141.141.3 with SMTP id t3mr2415353rvn.106.1227618267435; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.194.15 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:04:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560811250504p3605e24u49ee7a98cb27d0b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:04:27 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: cmavo In-Reply-To: <790831.33464.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <790831.33464.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1060 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Tom Gysel wrote: > > is there a method to the cmavo-madness? Some. > some seem to be derived from gismu (me'e, po'e, ci'o, ju'o,....) > others do not. Correct. > i cannot find out. are these then randomly chosen? There are islands of method. For example in vi/va/vu, zi/za/zu/, ve'i/ve'a/ve'u/ve'e, ze'i/ze'a/ze'u/ze'e, you can see a rule, so they were not chosen completely at random. The choice of "v" and "z" here might have been random (or inherited from Loglan). You can see another rule in fa/fe/fi/fo/fu. But there is no rule to cover all cmavo, no. > is there a way of (more) easily memorizing them? It's probably worth memorizing all CV cmavo (they are almost all used with relatively high frequency), it's probably not worth memorizing all CV'V cmavo. But everyone has their peferred method of learning. I rather not memorize what is never used, so what I tend to remember is only what I use or see others using. > (i mean, i can remember me'e very easily because i see the rafsi of 'cmene') All BAI cmavo (except do'e and tai actually) have a gismu associated with them, but they are not necessarily identical to a rafsi of that gismu. Most of the BAIs are never used however, so I wouldn't especially recommend commiting them to memmory. mu'o mi'e xorxes