From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Nov 07 04:24:18 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:24:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KyQNt-0001B2-Uj for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:24:17 -0800 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.146]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KyQNq-0001Ap-KG for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:24:17 -0800 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so445029eyk.58 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:24:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=1sHUmGHEtze6q4m+dp8GESQyLRCVUfXXQdR7inMN3l4=; b=ngdgVBIRFHXDZZGPfi5gHuPdTjcgsYuMiz/opCgUS7ixhtFmJNMyIwiYlMZvoFF79o aYScB9UkpK6T3rlsA19JkE0bhXY5PqoaUO1VebZin1PDqdJnCkmZpa0TfYVDXmwkJ1U0 bxe+yFLdujF9UjYW/P2dRwkjBiK9AbmTrVB9I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=N6wfBWZ0B1qEBb+rqJJBJpDRrUaTFVhmWgH2bSFOB8L/mvO6U6AMExWGu9vHdcBxad q39O5GDas7L6MCj6AJ/z2OvkQEJy8kvXF3a6OPRcLGDDgbbxPkWZvMSE2RwgdyPAnjb4 z2Lf0I0ZDkxbp9rVURHCW2Wm2y0z4+AKcfdNs= Received: by 10.103.182.3 with SMTP id j3mr1722512mup.113.1226060653128; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:24:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.199.18 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 04:24:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4de8c3930811070424l6ff80eb2u9c36e5ef4996da68@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:24:13 +0100 From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: consonant diphthongs In-Reply-To: <5715b9300811061107s10620b1fq6564c03712beda7d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41651_8579204.1226060653121" References: <5715b9300811061107s10620b1fq6564c03712beda7d@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d0f61bb241b601b3 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 996 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_41651_8579204.1226060653121 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2008/11/6 Luke Bergen > I think I remember reading that the official word on consonant diphthongs > do not exist in lojban but I have a question about one consonant > combination. > > in the word "djica" (desire), how would you pronounce that first part? I > can't seem to make the two consonants really separate without inserting an > "y" type sound between them. Otherwise it ends up sounding kind of like the > "dg" in "judge". Is this ok? > > - LB > As for gismu, which are explicitly defined as 5-letter, I tend to pronounce each letter individually so that the presence of gismu in the sound stream is made clearer. So I believe. I can't say for sure whether or not such realization is advantageous to that which doesn't distinguish consonant pairs, for I have no sufficient experience in oral Lojban conversation. I'm undecided about "xr" which Pierre pointed out. I pronounce "r" sometimes as the one in Spanish, sometimes as in French, sometimes as in Russian, and sometimes as in English. But, again, I tend to try not to insert the "y" sound between the pair, even if that's challenging for me. mu'o mi'e .tijlan. ------=_Part_41651_8579204.1226060653121 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2008/11/6 Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
I think I remember reading that the official word on consonant diphthongs do not exist in lojban but I have a question about one consonant combination.

in the word "djica" (desire), how would you pronounce that first part?  I can't seem to make the two consonants really separate without inserting an "y" type sound between them.  Otherwise it ends up sounding kind of like the "dg" in "judge".  Is this ok?

 - LB

As for gismu, which are explicitly defined as 5-letter, I tend to pronounce each letter individually so that the presence of gismu in the sound stream is made clearer. So I believe. I can't say for sure whether or not such realization is advantageous to that which doesn't distinguish consonant pairs, for I have no sufficient experience in oral Lojban conversation.

I'm undecided about "xr" which Pierre pointed out. I pronounce "r" sometimes as the one in Spanish, sometimes as in French, sometimes as in Russian, and sometimes as in English. But, again, I tend to try not to insert the "y" sound between the pair, even if that's challenging for me.

mu'o mi'e .tijlan.
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