From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Dec 07 02:46:59 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:47:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L9HA8-0006ec-I0 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:46:59 -0800 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.158]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L9H9o-0006aH-W1 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:46:55 -0800 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so649038fga.0 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:46:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=vrWugGDQdGq1nMp8m+Dp95iA2S8VnLhd/6ld396m9ww=; b=Si1jrU/pqLC5gpDq98UfY3DJ9AZRA/rRoT60RWqXZmDEfBExpGPiLXOSht20SfmkAz d5oQR8hcHHvHXpIR7v+7Z4Xe8/9a4CFm36Zkt3go2afAwIFvRktujTj3IiEkTgU2EDAM Pu7gNTEvwHoP2urXKaPJ+XEj/9JC6D0jrlAzA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=ftPQNJPqFn9IN7lGfDgv89RFUqf6+jNFEOOm2HuJSRV1i8cSlISPKWEVN/bvpUJI+t PqELw9PXsEHjO/yIqBjPZHf2pXeqClWY2k2XpxQMGv84Pv87GFEaDK/VC44KoOWk50Zm 5qKtJRrV9MtcmjD8XoqEn/5c4nsNNi0ycEsBI= Received: by 10.223.122.70 with SMTP id k6mr951711far.26.1228646784700; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:46:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.122.79 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:46:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <90c7bfa90812070246r36dd446bp9fc9e51622d7edbb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 03:46:24 -0700 From: "jknilinux@gmail.com" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] A few lojban questions... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_34969_20334286.1228646784698" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1078 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jknilinux@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_34969_20334286.1228646784698 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi, I'm new, so, well, I have a few questions related to lojban... 1: According to Alfred Tarski's definition, is lojban semantically closed? 2: Is there a predicate-logic-oriented introduction to lojban, or at least something that shows exactly how predicate logic is related to lojban? I haven't looked at it too much but, for example, where are the quantifiers? 3: Why not use ZFC set theory as a basis for language instead? 4: Finally, is there a one-to-one correlation between letters and sounds, and between spelling and words, and between words and sound? For example, are there two letters that sound the same, like k and c in english, or two words that sound the same or spell the same, like can and can or fish and phish? Thanks! ------=_Part_34969_20334286.1228646784698 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi,

I'm new, so, well, I have a few questions related to lojban...

1: According to Alfred Tarski's definition, is lojban semantically closed? 

2: Is there a predicate-logic-oriented introduction to lojban, or at least something that shows exactly how predicate logic is related to lojban? 
I haven't looked at it too much but, for example, where are the quantifiers?

3: Why not use ZFC set theory as a basis for language instead?

4: Finally, is there a one-to-one correlation between letters and sounds, and between spelling and words, and between words and sound? For example, are there two letters that sound the same, like k and c in english, or two words that sound the same or spell the same, like can and can or fish and phish?

Thanks!
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