From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Dec 16 05:58:58 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:58:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCaRu-0008Id-Hv for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:58:58 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.247]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCaRp-0008Hh-GG for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:58:58 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so4114508rvf.46 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:58:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=vGMeRiJhiWOKcIAMFdllZw/KGCZK3gKxtWFtFIXfubE=; b=AcNKSGPgZNe0n9BrKM6Ki0ItVQQ+yUxRDiciyZk/OcBhWZ4r37Yx8B8olsHNLNFqJP f2RkVVH9k2QqLie8NJuIMdamv4I+HgtiRQXSJb9wPBUU0XYHeoKmlnS+uizaxX/3zr4m zFtUWzt9/a/bfnXnf8HArRS+g2Zl6wNOHWjvo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=U0U8wK4+/Dd77hP+39SDG3nUnHPzOHtaiA/0jUORePThr7lUzBufAsGzYvCQ9wmkK2 4I9IYpdCNMxGMCnybeBTuHw3D1Ej6W4YQexjKwpD6Hb5evTXjvo5sdL8YBjq/dqiaIwy UgMquvHeMPPtDeoNuU3AGBYr8kcb+AAJoH2h8= Received: by 10.140.178.17 with SMTP id a17mr4340305rvf.206.1229435932347; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.194.15 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:58:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560812160558o380d40e8le1e6e6b766e26b14@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:58:52 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: About the negators In-Reply-To: <70697fa40812152124u39a177a2hc52d604e9a30e469@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <70697fa40812152124u39a177a2hc52d604e9a30e469@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1099 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:24 AM, J Y wrote: > i have just known that {xu} may be attached to a single word in one > sentence , then i want to know , what about the negator {na} ? No, the position of {na} is much more restricted. It can appear in front of the selbri, or in a term position as {na ku}. (And it can also appear in front of a logical connective, na je, na gi'e, na .e) > And , could you tell me the difference between {na} and {na'e} ? They look > the same when using . They have different scope. {na'e} only negates a tanru-unit, while the scope of {na} includes all that follows in the bridi. For example: ta (na'e sutra) citka ro badna That one non-quickly ate each banana. ta na (sutra citka ro badna) That one did not quickly eat all bananas. mu'o mi'e xorxes