From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jan 05 05:56:25 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LJpwP-0003iC-3a for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:56:25 -0800 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LJpwM-0003hi-RS for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:56:25 -0800 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so7947131wfa.25 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:56:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=71i2XWLMPDnr1RdL7TAaMpApd5I3c3uWr3FjWuw3blc=; b=USL5YRgti5pfG3lwcqApQ3YpW9AiU/NfTwGRPCDXqBrg614l+4KpSq1ARd7rrVEtQc lDE6HISI1n3yfjBgk4P9xAJi5QnErIYRvWoEl/FKuq3CxotMPdtWh6Mh4bQnyWAMcsw2 8dTkjY24QZhOkTwRsCMKIpzZZFSeVy2I7lO3U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=K9wpcqiNCOcnk/eDy3+mJ9U6ZwE+w9cA6CG4BAOtraNbvZAxk4/TIB/1aPW5dLiEKr Mteiqzju/zUIGW/c6n3lFxHzzvwDEKYAX15BxezYNY/b7t4jHYxdkFQACnzkWL/fSLAf AgEDzkpt9pnXs6QWiqevPxBCBqt5lK0fqbuhc= Received: by 10.142.125.9 with SMTP id x9mr4626029wfc.236.1231163781895; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.100.10 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:56:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <96f789a60901050556x501a7cfmeb52605446652969@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:56:21 -0500 From: "Michael Turniansky" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Alice In Wonderland In-Reply-To: <5715b9300901021050q57f4d0dco3fea1d3c2ad62c05@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_154421_14693403.1231163781889" References: <99981.60825.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4de8c3930901020935p53cc902cwc06dd3402a722ec5@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60901021004v1e259027vcd99d9659509c8f6@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60901021007q3482c95fwdffbbed4d3709d22@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300901021050q57f4d0dco3fea1d3c2ad62c05@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1150 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_154421_14693403.1231163781889 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Well, I think xorxes' Little Prince is very good (this was translated from the original French, not the English version, so there is some disagreement with the English), and at the risk of tooting my own horn, Terry the Tiger Visits the Big City (which does include an English translation), Not a Box, and the Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin (both of whose English version are widely available at public libraries). --gejyspa On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > so for a newbie such as myself what text *would* you recommend? At this > point I have the basic concepts of most of the grammar down and I think it's > mostly just a matter of seeing as much vocab as humanly possible. I've been > reading some of the poetry on lojban.org but it's hard when there isn't an > english translation to go along with it to see if I understood it correctly. > > - Luke Bergen > > > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Michael Turniansky > > wrote: >> >>> Don;t be so sure. While I hadn't read much of Alice, the very small >>> part I have read had at least one error -- "fange" used when "fengu" was >>> clearly meant. I know that my Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin piece, >>> and my translation of Esther, and xorxes' Little Prince have been >>> extensively looked at by pairs of eyes other than the author and discussed, >>> so problems have hopefully been caught. >>> >>> --gejyspa >> >> >> (I should note that Esther is an extremely difficult read, and wouldn't >> recommend it as a beginner text) >> >> >> > ------=_Part_154421_14693403.1231163781889 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline   Well, I think xorxes' Little Prince is very good (this was translated from the original French, not the English version, so there is some disagreement with the English), and at the risk of tooting my own horn, Terry the Tiger Visits the Big City (which does include an English translation), Not a Box, and the Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin (both of whose English version are widely available at public libraries).

                                     --gejyspa

On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
so for a newbie such as myself what text would you recommend?  At this point I have the basic concepts of most of the grammar down and I think it's mostly just a matter of seeing as much vocab as humanly possible.  I've been reading some of the poetry on lojban.org but it's hard when there isn't an english translation to go along with it to see if I understood it correctly.

- Luke Bergen



On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:


On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
  Don;t be so sure.  While I hadn't read much of Alice, the very small part I have read had at least one error -- "fange" used when "fengu" was clearly meant.  I know that my Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin piece, and my translation of Esther, and xorxes' Little Prince have been extensively looked at by pairs of eyes other than the author and discussed, so problems have hopefully been caught.

                --gejyspa

(I should note that Esther is an extremely difficult read, and wouldn't recommend it as a beginner text)
 



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