From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jan 19 03:11:35 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:11:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LOs2Z-0003UK-72 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:11:35 -0800 Received: from mail-bw0-f21.google.com ([209.85.218.21]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LOs2V-0003Tj-Uf for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:11:34 -0800 Received: by bwz14 with SMTP id 14so7849217bwz.10 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:11:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=pynSuW8vhE6dBHvKvPGbOfDrrM7GXOrtrIVZ7oDCioY=; b=h2Fhgu6QsudMm6If19KHQMJ+3LIv1j3PO6Z6qM3MEwAViKBQsgp95qXOF0oMZomXkz 3cyZtXZIFqJbDEcaU+ERoPvC3feeioQkIsH+Mm3dnXicPmFZ4byNPDUV+dsu0GXxBfpK NOW1CRGLQXeXQICBYiJ/4tggBLHAw34l8tQsc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=hsCd5MRywdUp07cGGBjZhrh3UCKeTfX0LZjPloZBhzJ5nZMP1dBqwnhVVPKhr6tnZO le08bvjq7lMP/HsJuSqpUiRd76dHrt15jSmYklMQcvPZjqlHm/+1IIkzZHJVZTzLAKgW 4qSr18YJSrWBSzQpV+TcLMzR6v0Uek0IJTSc0= Received: by 10.223.113.132 with SMTP id a4mr884550faq.75.1232363484808; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:11:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.109.195 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:11:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 06:11:24 -0500 From: "Brett Williams" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] caucme/cmecau (was "xelfanva") MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1227 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mungojelly@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Brett Williams wrote: > > > > you might or might not want to use the popular new term for nameless: > > "caucme".. > > Is it really popular, or is it only a word used by the jbotcan > software? (BTW, is jbotcan down or is it just me that can't access > it?) It seems that "cmecau" makes more sense for "nameless" (= claxu > be lo cmene). "caucme" seems to be some kind of name (i.e. a word), > not someone or something without a name. Lojban is still such a small language. I'm sure having Jbotcan use the word "caucme" all day long has a lot of effect on how people think. I know that word is in my mind. (Jbotcan is back up BTW, yay!!! .ui cai) This is how I think of it: If you don't have a name, then you're cmecau. But someone who's named "Anonymous" does have a name, namely "Anonymous". They have a name which is "caucme", a lacking name, that is to say a name which is lacking the property of distinguishing an individual. One such name (the one used on Jbotcan) is zo "caucme" itself, which is self-descriptive (another perfectly reasonable one would be zo "cmecau", describing its user). I like both of those words. :) I also like both "djisku" and "skudji". :) mu'o mi'e selkik