From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jan 24 14:24:06 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LQqv8-0001lJ-2U for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:24:06 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.245]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LQqv5-0001l9-My for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:24:06 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so5769744rvf.46 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:24:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zAyFGjno4XVs5Uy96WDM9rLnwZWlSGfZHZlXs1oTEPg=; b=ktIuZdAYOojtLrjX/mLbwHnuu6ftLAWsvov5HXoM/s7u+3X3X75WjbiQI41nCR/Im8 P0hjDuls19HVoZT75zrkfwXDQbijVbt4dFYG60ZMyE3tr2L407qhO+w4AIoFxV6JKq/0 T1jRihDMX8pHcKGSGdfHEy30CjrOQEKTlkvzo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XyRKK7xmafTdl6ufJmwut1e7iWIGI9GF79qCuiIJutIylqZlvzj8nLQABC9T6X6C1/ AJ9i7GE8RYaVawvNzbKsrYCkCfbdhHLmuA2WBzOUizGzw/vN5JRm7gKsC6giPFjhpgX2 F0PnIOt3Klow5up7mai6mLDmx8LcHDdRyGWMo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.137.16 with SMTP id p16mr1273434rvn.180.1232835842926; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:24:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3e84be3b0901241208u6344d108w4cc800ee04a75670@mail.gmail.com> References: <3e84be3b0901240852se2b1876s728638e232284126@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560901241153l288340c8mcc6364b5afb40666@mail.gmail.com> <3e84be3b0901241208u6344d108w4cc800ee04a75670@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:24:02 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560901241424n5c6d1992jde25c7b9788b37c2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: What is love? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1293 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 1/24/09, Grant Walmer wrote: > .i la lojban. mo. > ju'i bangu. i ko na crogau mi > ko na za'o crogau mi > now whats the difference between na and na'e, Scope. "na" negates a bridi, while "na'e" negates the word/construct that immediately follows. "ko na'e crogau mi" means you are asking Language to other-than-hurt you. Language may then play dumb and ask you "oh, you want me to do something to you in addition to hurting you?". With "na" you are just asking Language not to hurt you. > and doi and ju'i? "doi" simply identifies who you are speaking to. "ju'i" is more to call their attention, like "hey!". mu'o mi'e xorxes