From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jan 31 14:09:36 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:09:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LTO1w-00034F-2n for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:09:36 -0800 Received: from mail-gx0-f13.google.com ([209.85.217.13]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LTO1s-00033z-25 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:09:36 -0800 Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so634450gxk.10 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:09:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3moWkyYn25g+X9aYyzoNLMIARNhzCqRCx5yYf8FtAQc=; b=mPr5ndS3UhYQNu1gJBO1Il+Q+H8MyKI8nRxkrccKYIYcGC4fKElaqNXSNHoFyA1j7x GFo6JFKBudDvxkbHADMiKO7qumSUzRPaWlg4/ii0t57EYG7iAyOPe+imCsZNsrs7/hlR zVS15FAdDVSTC4MrZMGirVvE1XAegt5MlMkwo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KJj8eCtzzNzZ66JOAWHKY9UYoWm36dhvWkt5ziUvyAewBlGsIXGEZIvzXqPEN8HfAJ 3o7/fSJr960ZsqT46S/CXfxorjrWkXxAQ746RvsA+ytZYNiYzOD6NVDzT0uSuvnWDo1p Q2DphqNbndnTTozPA/HoGdbnv4yKxr3+1kCVg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.15.9 with SMTP id s9mr2083675ybi.239.1233439765754; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:09:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <702226df0901211655ka7aef7bo3a40a6d4d7d0727b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:09:25 +1800 Message-ID: <702226df0901311409g61415712g46b26d9570683d54@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Parallel confusion. From: "Jon \"Top Hat\" Jones" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6ad4a16f53e0461ce9351 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 2 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1304 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --000e0cd6ad4a16f53e0461ce9351 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Brett Williams wrote: > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Jon Top Hat Jones > wrote: > > I've just run across something rather confusing in Parallel Plus. In > Module > > 1, Example 158, the English is "Anna's bicycle", but the Lojban given is > {le > > la .anas. karce}, instead of the nigh impossible for me to pronounce > > {relxilma'e} I expected. > > > > Is this an error, or did the author decide that a bike fits a rather > loose > > interpretation of car? > > > I'd say it's a less standard usage. I think to be a "karce" something > needs a motor. I might call a motorcycle a "karce", but not a manual > bike. > > I can say "relxilma'e" easily enough, after a few years of practice, > if that's encouraging. A lot of people seem to not like it, though, > so we might give za'e "jmama'e" a try? > > > mu'o mi'e la stela se ckiku > > After looking a bit, I'm going with {relxi'uma'e}, it's quite a bit easier for me to pronounce, and it's the same word. It's very odd that the author used {karce}, though- I agree that it should be for motored vehicles. I suppose this gives me an excuse to update the program.... I could even make it Dot-Sided.... I don't suppose anyone's up for recording sounds for the modules? -- mu'o mi'e .aionyst. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --000e0cd6ad4a16f53e0461ce9351 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Brett Williams <= span dir=3D"ltr"><mungojelly@gma= il.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Jon Top Hat Jones &l= t;eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've just run across something rather confusing in Parallel Plus. = In Module
> 1, Example 158, the English is "Anna's bicycle", but the= Lojban given is {le
> la .anas. karce}, instead of the nigh impossible for me to pronounce > {relxilma'e} I expected.
>
> Is this an error, or did the author decide that a bike fits a rather l= oose
> interpretation of car?


I'd say it's a less standard usage.  I think to be a &qu= ot;karce" something
needs a motor.  I might call a motorcycle a "karce", but not= a manual
bike.

I can say "relxilma'e" easily enough, after a few years of pr= actice,
if that's encouraging.  A lot of people seem to not like it, thoug= h,
so we might give za'e "jmama'e" a try?


mu'o mi'e la stela se ckiku

After looking a bit, I'm going with {relxi'uma= 9;e}, it's quite a bit easier for me to pronounce, and it's the sam= e word.

It's very odd that the author = used {karce}, though- I agree that it should be for motored vehicles.

I suppose this gives me an excuse to update the program.... I could eve= n make it Dot-Sided....

I don't suppose anyone's up for reco= rding sounds for the modules?

--
mu'o mi'e .aionyst.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
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