From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Feb 11 09:36:34 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:36:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LXJ0k-00051g-Hq for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:36:34 -0800 Received: from mail-bw0-f157.google.com ([209.85.218.157]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LXJ0d-00050m-Nz for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:36:34 -0800 Received: by bwz1 with SMTP id 1so533835bwz.10 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:36:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KjIE3a0TrDV0W0NVwhZSgkzxr6eEmX/gdYidPXyfSkw=; b=gCYwSBOPuoHuIpcd7BvSgmpFWaT1t4Mdnb3OyFEaRcXvRWNnatoxmCmlpTfUReS91m V4cy0m3BePnQfwmo0i4LjgWZOiNYA1CCsuGS4/qJZJbcybE/haQO2MEIFLoZ5ImcyGbv p8bZoFuwZeEkcpeDzOPXUSrwMjpwWoeUYKknU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=G4fa/hN7xI0bz2wrxUAtlh05uzcJL/i+FFAfHKlmS3XCLHs2tlsQ79M94z51E6ZcBp 94eoiUqL/VuJMnqHYYVVVs+PLdCtG9lRaUNUtnsgLNZcx8x82r69RtcKNeGLJSOfGvXy NPaqexXfZ4bObpQMLMzbv6k0IU7wBOBCJYQZo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.246.2 with SMTP id t2mr146131bkh.161.1234373781529; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:36:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17560902110858k48c606b5lba9dbed3837674d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <70697fa40902110700p7ae4ecbayb745dfcd3d23fc14@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560902110858k48c606b5lba9dbed3837674d2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:36:21 +0100 Message-ID: <4de8c3930902110936x66517534wd32957811484f30b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: UI & gismu From: "paskal.kos" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1326 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pascal.akihiko@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/2/11 Jorge Llambías : >> ai jdice > > Not quite right, but there is no gismu that means "x1 intends to do x2". How about "zukte"? Isn't a "volitional entity" with "purpose/goal" something that intends? >> ei bilga > > "bilga" only works when the speaker is also the agent. But "ei" is > more general, "x1 feels that x2 ought to be the case", where x2 is not > necesarily something that the speaker has to do. How about "dapma", in an non-offensive, neutral sense? .i .ei ro gugde cu sisti lo nu jamna .i dapma fi lo nu ro gugde cu sisti lo nu jamna mu'o mi'e tijlan