From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Feb 11 09:50:51 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:50:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LXJEZ-0006D6-Pb for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:50:51 -0800 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.152]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LXJEV-0006CV-5n for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:50:51 -0800 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so182974ywq.46 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:50:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rpvJFKgx4sYfOwE7cSbsDfZ1D5n6BiQHeYG0Vn4TjSE=; b=EUlSiyiG8Y/tgcuhblx29kYxHpKH6NsaIDBMfJs9tkGI26/sgjftYyr2J0aHLTvgzF VimKOmiRqjvitFlAxXB3XXA+0W7o1E34AF9PcKvtGuycrbwvB58LZNKW1npGjlua+3p0 bDWmhoF416GeRXm4fOlUKhTYci79Sl5eFxhdM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=WpREkLy/3QPtH4drrq7UrWG9GJYic0PwPmkpQZsT0danOcMERHTl41SBSg5SJZv8tu dcMlOk7DHHGFDsf+cw8um9ahK3Wj4zDF2SwKd0BZsHh9064u8BTed3GmZkvtfe9FVMWR 6Jrjvy4KBK2VJg0gJCEBNZjDzWIv5qXuiN2yI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.48.14 with SMTP id v14mr3076211wfv.103.1234374645695; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:50:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <70697fa40902071126g53e83128kbefd9b72c90c1a83@mail.gmail.com> References: <70697fa40902071126g53e83128kbefd9b72c90c1a83@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:50:45 -0500 Message-ID: <96f789a60902110950t5cd75304x5c25f0b14e598b4c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: What is love then From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3116a46c74f0462a83e8d X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1328 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --000e0cd3116a46c74f0462a83e8d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 2:26 PM, J Y wrote: > { nunprami } ? > { kamprami } ? > ...... > > { nunprami } > I don't clear know > le terfrica be zo nu bei zo pu'u bei zo li'i > For example I have loved my girlfriend for many years , then I would say > this is really a , painful love . > { xanri lizprami } or { xanri puvprami } or { xanri nunprami } ? > I don't see the difference. > For the most part, "nu" subsumes all the other two. If you wanted specific shades of meaning, li'i would be the experience itself, how it made you feel if you will, while pu'u is the steps involved in loving. So in this case, lizprami would be more specific than simply "nu". > > " Poor me have lost my love " > Here love may be a { ka } , but not { nu } > By the way , how does a pronoun be qualified in Lojban , like here " poor > me " ? { selkecti mi } ? Rather { selkecti mibda } or something else ? > ..... > Did you really lose your quality of being able to love, or did you lose that which you have loved? (lo mi selpa'i) For "poor me",used in this sense, it's simply an expression of feeling, so "uinai{se'i}" would be appropriate, but if you really wanted to use it to modify yourself, you could say "mi poi selke'i ku'o" or "mi po'u lo selke'i gu'e" for example. You could also use "lo selke'i me mi" (mibda doesn't mean anything. not sure what you wanted here?) > " I'll send you all my love " > I don't know what should be this "love", cause there is a "send" { benji > } ; if it's { lo mi kamprami } , so after I have sent it to you , whose { > kamprami } it becomes ? Yours ? ... > Well don't forget that benji doesn't imply that sender loses anything (see the definition) . But the real quesiton is is "benji" the right word to use here? I'd say not. How can you transmit love? I'd think you'd more likely be informing them, or declaring, your love for them. --gejyspa --000e0cd3116a46c74f0462a83e8d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 2:26 PM, J Y <kkm2019@gmail.com> wrote:
{ nunprami } ?
{ kamprami } ?
......
 
{ nunprami }
I don't clear know
le terfrica be zo nu bei zo pu'u bei zo li'i
For example I have loved my girlfriend for many years , then I wo= uld say  this is really a , painful love .
{ xanri lizprami } or {  xanri puvprami } or { xanri nunprami } ?=
I don't see the difference.


  = For the most part, "nu" subsumes all the other two.  If you = wanted specific shades of meaning, li'i would be the experience itself,= how it made you feel if you will, while pu'u is  the steps involv= ed in loving.  So in this case, lizprami would be more specific than s= imply "nu".
 
=
 
" Poor me have lost my love "
Here love may be a { ka } , but not { nu }
By the way , how does a pronoun be qualified in Lojban , like her= e " poor me " ?  { selkecti mi } ? Rather { selkecti mibda }= or something else ? .....

Did you really = lose your quality of being able to love, or did you lose that which you hav= e loved?  (lo mi selpa'i)

  For "poor me",used in this sense, it's = simply an expression of feeling, so "uinai{se'i}" would be ap= propriate, but if you really wanted to use it to modify yourself, you could= say "mi poi selke'i ku'o" or "mi po'u lo selke&= #39;i gu'e" for example. You could also use "lo selke'i m= e mi"

(mibda doesn't mean anything.  not sure what you wanted here?)=

 
" I'll send you all my love "
I don't know what should be this "love", cause ther= e is a "send" { benji } ; if it's { lo mi kamprami = } , so after I have sent it to you , whose { kamprami } it becomes ? Yours = ? ...


  Well don't forget that ben= ji doesn't imply that sender loses anything (see the definition) . = ; But the real quesiton is is "benji" the right word to use here?=   I'd say not.  How can you transmit love?  I'd thin= k you'd more likely be informing them, or declaring,  your love fo= r them.

            --ge= jyspa

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