From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Feb 17 04:23:24 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:23:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZOyx-0002us-Mo for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:23:24 -0800 Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.188]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZOyu-0002uS-2z for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:23:23 -0800 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id z23so1378065fkz.2 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:23:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BO9CeAJtYw74lX3Le/U6gMQwsfgY9UR91CkYz0rNdLw=; b=BaI0pMf8BRGyEeojQy33x2E0Bi0cBv3+ktqqJUVpORnsE7DRMvMqxmNsPALEr4Dt4+ Vc9uFzfmEq9TgjX5gmd7WaSVThGizWynGYbGDOqRGgxvrdg1akkzu0BUlSTc4T7oeIv4 QtOvMrS3hPC0WzQ9q6t70iEORNU1avdvDWHyM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CmaSDTwJZYG2gUxwH9/stOyv+q0LvGq9IegSAALYZdvLeKa1JOsR2G97f0GwBti6lm BDOgKzHn1J9wNqtcC69aAm1T1CYCH7Gz2rSOEk3MHBXQXFM6e1/S1LCmoo0RKwvdxgqh seFWHbObW9Yf3VVnWEfPruTulpViOZbrptVZg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.181.227.9 with SMTP id e9mr187600bkr.133.1234873398523; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:23:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4de8c3930902170303w5b159a8bi63a914bd907354df@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:23:18 +0100 Message-ID: <4de8c3930902170423rbddfa99n3c134fbe037e23dc@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: ro in detri, numbers in ko'vowels From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1341 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pascal.akihiko@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/2/17 Roman Salmin : > > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:03 PM, tijlan wrote: >> >> 2009/2/17 Roman Salmin : >> > >> > Can I use "ro" when specifying date in "detri"? >> > >> > I mean to say instead of >> > ca ro la vodjed. la suzyn. klama le barja va le briju >> > following: >> > la suzyn. klama va le briju le barja de'i ro la vodjed. >> >> "de'i ro la vodjed" is grammatical. It means that "ro la vodjed" has >> the sense of "detri"s x1. > > > What confuse me, is to use of set of dates "ro la vodjed" as a date. Because > date in standart calendar is just a point of time - not set of points. "ro la vodjed" is not a mathematical set (which is formed with "lo'i/le'i"). When you say "de'i ro la vodjed", you're putting *each* vodjed into the x1 of "detri" and use it as a modal; you're successfully referring to "every vodjed". > Can I (and is it better) to intepret "ro ko'a" not as "all ko'a" but as > "repeat current bridi for every ko'a" - like cycle in programming language? I think you can, and that's how I would interpret it too. But it seems there isn't total agreement among Lojbanists on this. mu'o mi'e tijlan