From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Feb 17 08:41:35 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:41:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZT0p-0003xC-KB for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:41:35 -0800 Received: from mail-bw0-f205.google.com ([209.85.218.205]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZT0m-0003wl-G7 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:41:35 -0800 Received: by bwz1 with SMTP id 1so4423894bwz.10 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:41:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vLB+fkjwDEOY6uZdQOUQ9PDY0lienNz8498w/noU5uA=; b=Kq3C8WFvnWkuGvc46Dq7aLcTadT5cXQ5tut5xs72RBeYlESF7N9eik4FZ0I/z1Qr6i TEio+IpCDa63Thw1IOfBTLdV17aAqjjOx0/vT9iz0WMikFEjrwUzupCRc2102QiY8Z4u Hy0jnkxSEg4tqLIDI2J+UhfQh9UhR9EgOpAk4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QE92H4mhe5Jkkgala/+3ebGLX2Ml6XdQyIQr80Lv7jsJ7KNEaHt/irQzPR72cWEES2 1E27oCY92iKI5HGr38dkLI/jvy/JHAh5I/jjjCy4IUKUykhkMy/yk8b2fqJTxAmrvKg9 8doJdZiWFTs5eVf1TC/Tfeqy4W8cGT/7fhs/w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.181.137.17 with SMTP id p17mr106597bkn.163.1234888885839; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:41:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300902170759v530ee49pc0a9fc420ec5ebe6@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300902170759v530ee49pc0a9fc420ec5ebe6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:41:25 +0100 Message-ID: <4de8c3930902170841k61fd276du2edb35c90c8db2b1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: pronunciation problems with jy and cy From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1345 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pascal.akihiko@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/2/17 Luke Bergen : > does anyone else find that words with jy and cy in them are tricky to > pronounce in such a way that the two letters sound different from one > another? If I were to find it that way, probably I would have had the same difficulty for zy & sy too. But I think I actually don't, at least for individual sounds. > For instance, jarco. For some reason when I pronounce this it sounds like > there is very little difference between the two sounds. That may be because /c/ is in between a voiced consonant and a vowel, making it harder to pronounce the voiceless consonant as such. But that's something you can complain about in any human language. Fortunately there is no "jarjo", so you don't have to worry too much about being misheard of "jarco". mu'o mi'e tijlan