From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Feb 17 09:03:12 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:03:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZTLj-0005Ud-UR for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:03:12 -0800 Received: from mail-ew0-f15.google.com ([209.85.219.15]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZTLf-0005Rl-Ng for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:03:11 -0800 Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so2373092ewy.10 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:03:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Fbh56RcWVOrrJzoXXTL2d4kZ3b1fQBb9xeErGqIY6V8=; b=HDt/JJOPb+zf6yrRKqI7gi4rWuPfj1kfz1JoS3kZ33Elg+whMDrga7t+XVPvJ85UxK xcg3EcBZ1pkAS+k/qmncSMa0rgsAuEQsHr+u3qMRk9Wy9OFsn/XKotBeujzlg7z8CdOm BRktAnihNTiYhKkeT3vEzghprlpiyjtYKKoYQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=MttTdbIjv4w06sov9MvpI+DsHTJWECjybl3Qp+4lOBN4ALmCPtJ9Dzt9y34CTiQBot 3o+iwnLJb6jzRCA2tP0lLVrE7pkvcCcYfLOTyPD7IlhmA/IUPS0SAvuK7CT02d52Lor4 TViYN7CM2j7v1kEXOoKH3EuGS7QX0RJ16Mo3I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.91.7 with SMTP id o7mr3982709ebb.136.1234890181107; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:03:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3930902170841k61fd276du2edb35c90c8db2b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300902170759v530ee49pc0a9fc420ec5ebe6@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930902170841k61fd276du2edb35c90c8db2b1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:03:01 -0500 Message-ID: <5715b9300902170903n4fc9fdb1y7daca36e8677dc35@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: pronunciation problems with jy and cy From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c0f1294de9004632046c4 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1346 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0015174c0f1294de9004632046c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > .i ma verclibau do? what does verclibau mean? And wouldn't it be ".i xu ma verclibau do" as opposed to ".i ma verclibau do?" ? - Luke Bergen On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:41 AM, tijlan wrote: > 2009/2/17 Luke Bergen : > > does anyone else find that words with jy and cy in them are tricky to > > pronounce in such a way that the two letters sound different from one > > another? > > If I were to find it that way, probably I would have had the same > difficulty for zy & sy too. But I think I actually don't, at least for > individual sounds. > > > For instance, jarco. For some reason when I pronounce this it sounds > like > > there is very little difference between the two sounds. > > That may be because /c/ is in between a voiced consonant and a vowel, > making it harder to pronounce the voiceless consonant as such. But > that's something you can complain about in any human language. > Fortunately there is no "jarjo", so you don't have to worry too much > about being misheard of "jarco". > > mu'o mi'e tijlan > > > > --0015174c0f1294de9004632046c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > .i ma verclibau do?

what does verclibau mean?  And would= n't it be ".i xu ma verclibau do" as opposed to ".i ma v= erclibau do?" ?

- Luke Bergen


On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:41 AM, tijlan= <pascal.a= kihiko@gmail.com> wrote:
2009/2/17 Luke Bergen <lukeaber= gen@gmail.com>:
> does anyone else find that words with jy and cy = in them are tricky to
> pronounce in such a way that the two letters sound different from one<= br> > another?

If I were to find it that way, probably I would have had the same
difficulty for zy & sy too. But I think I actually don't, at least = for
individual sounds.

> For instance, jarco.  For some reason when I pronounce this it so= unds like
> there is very little difference between the two sounds.

That may be because /c/ is in between a voiced consonant and a vowel,=
making it harder to pronounce the voiceless consonant as such. But
that's something you can complain about in any human language.
Fortunately there is no "jarjo", so you don't have to worry t= oo much
about being misheard of "jarco".

mu'o mi'e tijlan




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