From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Feb 27 15:26:01 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:26:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LdC5g-0001Kq-SM for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:26:00 -0800 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.158]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LdC5e-0001Kc-8W for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:26:00 -0800 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so975512ywq.46 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:25:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0Dj9Y5ydXtBxoC0aMlh1tTOFPuFawFlkjJMVPhDEsAg=; b=cLEuhcNm7XR3ymAX89VPMzz6K7NJwCjsXfPaHdU7mC9kpRKOpXEM4ir1d9bjfiJv/Q ntzoBGW1mpXWw9NqEDNFpTLlnxlmBwlAR/qSrXDR2Mf+PRhC+sL+/+KGUmAgbdngA0kd sH4KaWHeUI4XAw0DaDG2HgWVCknADVySkt2ts= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=h59azZrqbh9ovQbZP8BbCsQTWRG1bTg6Y5v513jyTXAhx6Zv6h01s6zdTrfO4pnvDa NScB7iWvq3SojvhqZicHlwsd5lUMaYQ2iXMdeaehAtsvmfymdSWlkVdDRx4DNkd4R6tV Ci6UedKV1CghWGFGBaRkiqeYra53OvUHXsDvQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.137.12 with SMTP id k12mr3123602and.124.1235777157301; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:25:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <70697fa40902271053g74474348jfc48a097bb1ae658@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300902220805m114bff5dlafd5826a24951987@mail.gmail.com> <425e4ac20902232112jb1a42b3k1f2848acae9f9d51@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60902260952sff8fc7eh9e5befaa9793cb16@mail.gmail.com> <70697fa40902271053g74474348jfc48a097bb1ae658@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:25:57 -0500 Message-ID: <425e4ac20902271525v312e46bco31fc36a29fff2649@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: nursery rhyme From: Stela Selckiku To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1367 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: selckiku@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/2/27 J Y : >>.i tu dunli le krasi lo ka rimni > > lu tu dunli le krasi be lo ka rimni li'u .i'epei I believe Gejyspa did mean to put "lo ka rimni" in the x3 place: [fa] tu [cu] dunli [fe] le krasi [fi] lo ka rimni tu = my adaptation of "pop goes the weasel" le krasi = the original source, that is, "pop goes the weasel" itself lo ka rimni = a quality of rhyming There are various ways to be "dunli", for instance two things which are "dunli fi lo ka clani" are equally long, and two things which are "dunli fi lo ka xunre" are equally red. To be "dunli fi lo ka rimni", then, is to equally rhyme, to rhyme the same, so Gejyspa's bridi says that my version rhymes the same way as the original. You could also say: "tu dunli le krasi be le rimni", but it would mean "that is equal to the source of the rhyming thing (in some property)". Perhaps it has the same rhyme, or perhaps it's equally long or equally relevant to oysters. (You wouldn't usually say "krasi be lo ka", because usually a selkrasi is an object or event, not a quality.) mu'o mi'e selkik