From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Mar 04 09:09:48 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:09:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LeubM-0007Hk-5w for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:09:48 -0800 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.155]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LeubG-0007HY-BN for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:09:47 -0800 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so2047159ywq.46 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:09:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=o1lZUluaNpz3Xja/ezk3cxUc71AVmyj8Gby3hTEVp3I=; b=Du8jEf1K5rIkRU+d1e0+XCpaBkw2T2Hj+HrbK+mnwNx33RvFI+dP0tScodixzkqbg8 wDz1d7RA2ZkA5WkWldEG/QbxZUvyYuDP5KKj2kVSRlt5/Skmd9sRPMkvoZP74PwVaqMa H8ww1UMx1lb1RY8M6vkeXuTL0NQMx4619FPv4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=TQOBoCryq/HPU1muSTNyBz5Js9mySqcpRVFpX5z+lpVCk/8FeXkzSX5ejdiyUx9n4G aGeWn/IiuXg/cVgBp0abhWeKfHBm8ndrBTFe+GNce2ajXNuuq+5u8cOqrMRqPkKGbZL5 vtdIY8Ku2vWTO4zM+vB1nt+cSm96y698P8uAw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.229.5 with SMTP id b5mr487567ybh.103.1236186581453; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:09:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <425e4ac20903032110xe9e5e8cy2853275e40383813@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090302231357.GF25033@sunflowerriver.org> <425e4ac20903032110xe9e5e8cy2853275e40383813@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:09:41 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ca35d6fbf6dff403 Message-ID: <12d58c160903040909u29e24cd8o21ce133f6eafa8e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: grammar check for my first few sentences From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1388 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Stela Selckiku wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Alan Post > wrote: >>  lu le munje li'u cu cmalu >> >> I would guess that the "cu" is optional, because the terminator li'u >> is used.  Is this correct? > > > That's right.  Incidentally, that sentence reads somewhat oddly to me; > I'm not sure it's wrong, but I probably would have said "lo'u le munje > le'u cmalu". I've noticed a practice on IRC that limits the contents of {lu ... li'u} to full bridi. But the restriction is actually only that the contents be grammatical (CLL 19:9). So: lu le munje li'u cmalu - Grammatical *lu le munje cu li'u cmalu - Ungrammatical lo'u le munje cu le'u cmalu - Grammatical lo'u le munje le'u cmalu - Grammatical (but confusing to me, because it implies that the speaker believes {le munje} to be ungrammatical) mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan