From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Mar 18 19:14:36 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lk7mG-0002a0-4a for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:14:36 -0700 Received: from mx.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.19] helo=sdf.lonestar.org ident=root) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lk7mD-0002Zn-P3 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:14:36 -0700 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@iceland.freeshell.org [192.94.73.5]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2J2ETMc029729 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:14:29 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id n2J2ESHK016770 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:14:28 GMT Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:14:28 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Preliminary chapter 1 for Lojban learners Message-ID: <20090319021427.GA26648@sdf.lonestar.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1455 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners de'i li 18 pi'e 03 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > General question: Does "mo" have a place structure of its own? .skamyxatra Its place structure is that of whatever {selbri} is given as the answer. > IOW, is "la paris. mo la frans." correct? Syntactically, yes. "{mo}" belongs to {selma'o} GOhA and so can have zero or more {sumti} as arguments, just like any other {selbri}. On the topic of the tutorial, I'm really not sure whether it's correct to use "{cmima}" to indicate that one thing is part of another. The definition in the {gismu} list seems highly oriented around membership in mathematical sets, and treating Europe as a set would technically require use of the very rare "{la'i}" in place of "{la}" before "{.iurop.}." A better choice of {selbri} would be "{pagbu}" or, as I suggested before, "{se vasru}." On the other hand, the definition of "{cmima}" is a bit vague, and some could argue that your use of it is acceptable. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- lo cevni ganai pacyzu'e gi na'e cevni vau sei sa'a la .iuripydes. cusku