From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Apr 10 10:56:11 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LsKxV-0007AA-3I for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:56:11 -0700 Received: from mail-bw0-f172.google.com ([209.85.218.172]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LsKxP-00079E-Fv for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:56:08 -0700 Received: by bwz20 with SMTP id 20so1085616bwz.34 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:55:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=StVzOMM1atkmtzumdGusK0cmoLcGTkIpllGqySeE7UU=; b=wAuX4m7AfIWWFeIyxE8wJS26x7Z3CfHm62isQb9Cakn6o1lWXuZ+IlnPquEVFdAbHe yZaxOBZc0F1r2UUvUD0o7iS5T0s7ZRAIuv3G71h6UnZDNTcs9/gYwQFG31e70kjfg03G Pks36jGGRb4Y3Nk3CKAmr9tB/8lwbJSUVKO5A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=WygmvKnhfn5LIfL2AuHcficPvZB7i5xAzs7PNLh5utkLL+JtxTug0Ckx84AesFch0k WZXQ+7kjnH4SKPxKPRHx1YjITbyeao+j2GF3gM1z+8Gl2ekX5Vl5BrFpXuf1MpnHgixN HJ9YM+aOw2fLglA94bekOWQ5JoRPNcrPcLAg0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.172.7 with SMTP id z7mr1972799muo.15.1239386155245; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:55:55 +0200 Message-ID: <4de8c3930904101055m53888421l643e2e9e268898b3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] lujvo into fu'ivla From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: A lujvo for "motorcycle" would most likely be matryrelxilma'e But it sometimes sounds too long for me to use around. So, as an experiment, I created a fu'ivla out of it: [...] Content analysis details: (-2.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-archive-position: 1489 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pascal.akihiko@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners A lujvo for "motorcycle" would most likely be matryrelxilma'e But it sometimes sounds too long for me to use around. So, as an experiment, I created a fu'ivla out of it: trxlma'e The idea is basically to 1) omit the vowels from the seltau(-ish) part, 2) remove any impermissible initial consonant pairs or other clusters, 3) remove any repeating letters for the sake of simplicity, 4) and adapt it to a valid fu'ivla form (http://www.lojban.com/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Exhaustive+list+of+short+fu%27ivla+forms) if necessary. My example went like this: 0) matryrelxilma'e 1) mtrrlxlma'e 2) trlxlma'e 3) trxlma'e 4) trxlma'e (no adaptation required) What do you think about it? mu'o mi'e tijlan