From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Apr 11 18:21:56 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LsoOS-0000m0-9X for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:21:56 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.123]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LsoOO-0000kj-FB for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:21:56 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090412012146.NOIC5844.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@chausie> for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 01:21:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13159343A for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:21:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: smani Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:21:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <4de8c3930904111015t58fc2f64xbe40ee7ca89e1615@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4de8c3930904111015t58fc2f64xbe40ee7ca89e1615@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200904112121.41579.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Saturday 11 April 2009 13:15:21 tijlan wrote: > What is the taxonomical definition of lo smani? Is it: > > 1) Primate (an order: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate) > > or > > 2) Ape/Hominoidea (a superfamily of Primate: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominoids) > > or > > 3) Great Ape/Hominidae (a family of Hominoidea: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_ape) > > or something else? > > According to the gimste, "ape" is included. But I'm not too sure > whether it's the ape in the sense of (2). [...] Content analysis details: (-2.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- --------------------------------X-archive-position: 1511 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Saturday 11 April 2009 13:15:21 tijlan wrote: > What is the taxonomical definition of lo smani? Is it: > > 1) Primate (an order: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate) > > or > > 2) Ape/Hominoidea (a superfamily of Primate: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominoids) > > or > > 3) Great Ape/Hominidae (a family of Hominoidea: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_ape) > > or something else? > > According to the gimste, "ape" is included. But I'm not too sure > whether it's the ape in the sense of (2). I say it's the haplorhines, including tarsiers, but as a rafsi extend it to the strepsirhines (norsmani). Languages don't all have the same division of primates. In Spanish "mico" refers to some or all New World monkeys, "macaco" refers to some or all Old World monkeys, "mono" includes all monkeys and apes, and there is no word that I know corresponding to "ape". Pierre