From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Apr 16 06:28:00 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LuRdI-0000MN-5z for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:28:00 -0700 Received: from mail-qy0-f109.google.com ([209.85.221.109]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LuRdE-0000La-1i for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:28:00 -0700 Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so516273qyk.25 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:27:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=N4UqUGJxGOV2VydBE6NWF/GjOWnZKY2bg4LnD5WeD+U=; b=dJ1C3w334xQkOCEKAHkt1XDTANHzWO4V8bDpdAPJ6itfdLx4NB6Io5kl1hwgfJGsKE PtZoTJD6V2EHY54MJM+hnIITs67kKXUXlaM/BK+KZnqknHF5eezlk3jxCqUt0jpmXMe6 Z1VkKmeQ2OO2i4pMITn/mQ2StMkEHSzF0tGZE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=t5N+U+AWBinM0M9RtPAtLfzS8bkno4sDV5y5VCMRV+O7qc7S6ZKnSgI3QmlEc9KJVW wSDQ7G7T73J6lRpbfzoz8Dm+ERTLc6RgMUnINxgUTu6184Sc8cqJ2J+tNStGw8f6crKq Z3RhyETslQSi8xQIIblzAY+9evcayPNE9PTnA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.76.3 with SMTP id a3mr304198vck.119.1239888468554; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:27:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090416062458.GL14088@nvg.org> References: <20090416062458.GL14088@nvg.org> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:27:48 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300904160627j2f4ff3ccx7ea38efbc1113536@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: negative-opinion text From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e645b9a8bab2840467ac0742 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: oh wow. is this guy serious? "I supposedly inherited my moderate psionic powers from my mother's side, and I think she had hers from her father". Also, while lojban is supposed to be a logical language it is also supposed to be a spoken language ninmu is a word that we use often, we could just as easily say "fetre'a" (fetsi+remna) so in a way his point is moot actually. "fet" could be the femail "prefix" and "nak" the male "prefix" when constructing lujvo. Nothing from the lojban way of doing things has to change and we have close to the diversity that this guy is talking about. fetlan = ewe. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rX-archive-position: 1528 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0016e645b9a8bab2840467ac0742 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oh wow. is this guy serious? "I supposedly inherited my moderate psionic powers from my mother's side, and I think she had hers from her father". Also, while lojban is supposed to be a logical language it is also supposed to be a spoken language ninmu is a word that we use often, we could just as easily say "fetre'a" (fetsi+remna) so in a way his point is moot actually. "fet" could be the femail "prefix" and "nak" the male "prefix" when constructing lujvo. Nothing from the lojban way of doing things has to change and we have close to the diversity that this guy is talking about. fetlan = ewe. tl;dr: people need to do a little more research before they rant. - Luke Bergen On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 2:24 AM, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:16:40AM -0400, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.comwrote: > > Does anyone have the text or a good link for this "negative opinion of > > Lojban": > > > > Magnus Itland believes that a major failing of Lojban is that it > does not > > have completely orthogonal semantics HEIGHT="8" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="79">. > > The page has moved to http://chaosnode.net/mar01/di010307.html. I've fixed > the wiki page. > > -- > Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ > I owe, I owe - so off to work I go. > > > > --0016e645b9a8bab2840467ac0742 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oh wow.=A0 is this guy serious?=A0 "I supposedly inherited my moderate= psionic powers from my mother's side, and I think she had hers from her father".

A= lso, while lojban is supposed to be a logical language it is also supposed = to be a spoken language ninmu is a word that we use often, we could just as= easily say "fetre'a" (fetsi+remna) so in a way his point is = moot actually.=A0 "fet" could be the femail "prefix" an= d "nak" the male "prefix" when constructing lujvo.=A0 N= othing from the lojban way of doing things has to change and we have close = to the diversity that this guy is talking about.=A0 fetlan =3D ewe.

tl;dr:=A0 people need to do a little more research before they rant.
- Luke Bergen


On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 2:24 AM, Arnt Ri= chard Johansen <arj@nvg= .org> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:16:40AM -0400, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > Does anyone have the text or a good link for this "negative opini= on of
> Lojban":
>
> Magnus Itland believes that a major failing of Lojban is that &l= t;A HREF=3D"http://home.online.no/~itlandm/di010307.html"&g= t;it does not
> have completely orthogonal semantics</A><IMG =A0SRC=3D"<= a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/img/icons/external_link.gif" target=3D= "_blank">http://www.lojban.org/tiki/img/icons/external_link.gif" W= IDTH=3D"7" HEIGHT=3D"8" BORDER=3D"0" DATASIZE= =3D"79">.

The page has moved to http://chaosnode.net/mar01/di010307.html. I've fi= xed the wiki page.

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Arnt Richard Johansen =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0http://arj.nvg= .org/
I owe, I owe - so off to work I go.




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