From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Apr 18 17:08:52 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LvKaa-0008K8-JN for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:08:52 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LvKaa-0008K1-Bp for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:08:52 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:08:52 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: order of sumti effects their meaning? Message-ID: <20090419000852.GF17828@digitalkingdom.org> References: <5715b9300904181435r70e35abdx57bd1d39e4a4174d@mail.gmail.com> <20090418215529.GE17828@digitalkingdom.org> <5715b9300904181504n6fe3d7f7ga6cc10258e5c24ef@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5715b9300904181504n6fe3d7f7ga6cc10258e5c24ef@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-archive-position: 1559 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 06:04:38PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: > I guess where I'm confused is this: > > 5.5) de poi gerku cu batci > ro da poi prenu > There-is-a-Y which is-a-dog which-bites > every Y which is-a-person > Some dog bites everyone. > > 5.6) ro da poi prenu cu se batci > de poi gerku > Every-X which is-a-person is-bitten-by some-Y > which is-a-dog. > > > So, in 5.5 "de poi gerku" equates to "some single thing which is a > dog" but in 5.6 it's "some thing which is a dog". Why? I just explained that. At length. > When you quantify a variable does that automatically make all > following variables in terms of it? Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-order_logic -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" -- http://shorl.com/tydruhedufogre http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/