From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Apr 30 14:03:22 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LzdPd-00048J-SH for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:03:21 -0700 Received: from mx.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.19] helo=sdf.lonestar.org ident=root) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LzdPW-00046O-KW for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:03:21 -0700 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@iceland.freeshell.org [192.94.73.5]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n3UL38d0020921 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:03:10 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id n3UL2u9d025690 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:02:56 GMT Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:02:56 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: simple question Message-ID: <20090430210255.GA28138@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <7f1d42860904301145j6f589846p16fff6abd42b4547@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160904301154mc602a72g99c71e24db3cc215@mail.gmail.com> <7f1d42860904301207v7a49ab65ke15dbe185d78cf45@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300904301217y6493ade8k80eb802debf51b28@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5715b9300904301217y6493ade8k80eb802debf51b28@mail.gmail.com> Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-archive-position: 1601 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners de'i li 30 pi'e 04 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Luke Bergen .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > I'm not sure if in all these cases there should have been a descriptor > before the second element in the connective. .skamyxatra "{lo gerku .e lo nakni}" needs a descriptor. The connectives of {selma'o} A connect {sumti} and only {sumti}, and a bare "{nakni}" is just a {selbri}. To Ryan Leach: exactly what about connectives is confusing you: the grammar, the logic, or how they affect the meaning & truth of the entire sentence? I can help you with the first two but not very much with the latter. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- za'u da tadji