From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri May 01 09:29:01 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 01 May 2009 09:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lzvbh-0004wA-1N for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 09:29:01 -0700 Received: from ol.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.20] helo=sdf.lonestar.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lzvbd-0004vp-P1 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 01 May 2009 09:29:00 -0700 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@iceland.freeshell.org [192.94.73.5]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n41GSrkJ012128 for ; Fri, 1 May 2009 16:28:53 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id n41GSqEJ001809 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 1 May 2009 16:28:52 GMT Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 16:28:52 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban meaning approximately "posture"? Message-ID: <20090501162851.GA12019@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <4de8c3930905010303g75b3d726t79e98ef4efe9ccff@mail.gmail.com> <23f4e3390905010415v61424da6me4d3c96c132a2589@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930905010618x7dad439dy780e59f35f58240f@mail.gmail.com> <23f4e3390905010722g17f8edc3jd1aeda319d507b9a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <23f4e3390905010722g17f8edc3jd1aeda319d507b9a@mail.gmail.com> Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-archive-position: 1613 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners de'i li 01 pi'e 05 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. David Gowers .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > My understanding is that pe'e .e and pe'e je are identical in meaning. > > This is because .e is [sumti] afterthought AND, je is [tanru] > afterthought AND, and, AFAICS, pe'e just replaces the square-bracketed > word with [termset], so to speak -- in the same way that 1*0 and 2*0 > both equal 0. .skamyxatra It's not a matter of semantics; it's a matter of grammar. The way that termsets are defined, "{pe'e}" can only be followed by a jek or a joik (after any free modifiers, of course), and doing otherwise is syntactically invalid Lojban. While the choice of using jeks over eks seems somewhat arbitrary, exactly what kind of connective is used for termsets would have made no real difference, and termsets have already been defined to use jeks. Changing that would mean changing the grammar, and you would have to take that up with the BPFK. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- le munje vi smaji