From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed May 06 12:11:28 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 06 May 2009 12:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M1mWd-0002vV-WF for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:11:28 -0700 Received: from mail-qy0-f108.google.com ([209.85.221.108]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M1mWR-0002tT-S0 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:11:26 -0700 Received: by qyk6 with SMTP id 6so742127qyk.28 for ; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:11:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Zh2UAzPSajbrcmooPmrZsUTyXak93yiNBdquG8JRXHQ=; b=xlD1aT6SAyiYyjB/x3t5Tioc17kJQnAkMKnLCackYKp40o0jqsoGPZS5Jmch6UosFU u3y/ZtULmNTe8nfFpoKTGqgXBnW/Ap2grKf+Uq83unkdt67ps5xnNGg9gEFgogE544ze ikn2frG+/17gPDh8trIHsrSKqisGpxpbNrxm8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FQBSr/oQtePNTYfRC5mOdM27J48JZO9rO/wWY0APp3Vw/z9ByX+Q/obEm1Vx8ybpv7 MVc/i41zDt6wh8ohzIO5EMgp9JpTMbPVrxSlr0Zfn5Spfam/n9vhTB871SxwwjawGSA/ W5xgeYBbS6svpmYtYmtJRO9vc0fNTNlGLpH04= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.73.8 with SMTP id a8mr2912096ybl.108.1241637069432; Wed, 06 May 2009 12:11:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090502173913.GA2160@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <4de8c3930905020511n3bf62935v5683047f979c509d@mail.gmail.com> <20090502173913.GA2160@sdf.lonestar.org> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 15:11:09 -0400 Message-ID: <96f789a60905061211t3f22c3c9qb5ebca410d9ebf2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: pei UI From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 1628 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Minimiscience wrote: > > de'i li 02 pi'e 05 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. tijlan .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > > How does one answer "pei.o'u" (an example from CLL 13:10)? Is this > > particular "pei" supposed to be a place holder for something, like > > when it's placed after UI (e.g. "o'upei", which can be answered with > > "o'usai", "o'unai" etc.)? > .skamyxatra > > "{pei}" in this case is just a basic attitudinal interrogative which can be > answered with either a UI with an optional CAI or with a bare CAI that modifies > an implied "{ge'e}."  The interrogator's "{.o'u}" merely indicates how he feels > and does not change the nature of the question. >   That's not what the refgram states in the place tiljan cited: ----------- Additionally, when ``pei'' is used at the beginning of an indicator construct, it asks specifically if that construct reflects the attitude of the respondent, as in (asked of someone who has been ill or in pain): 10.6) pei.o'u [question] [comfort] Are you comfortable? 10.7) pei.o'ucu'i [question] [comfort] [neutral] Are you no longer in pain? 10.8) pei.o'usai [question] [comfort] [strong] Are you again healthy? ---------- An odd construction, to be sure. One might imagine the standard "go'i" or simply "o'u" would work. --gejyspa