From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jun 04 05:56:21 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 05:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCCUW-0004Ee-UY for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 05:56:21 -0700 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.152]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCCUO-0004Cj-Qn for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 05:56:20 -0700 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so2387537ywm.46 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 05:56:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=fmieO16XIXA1J1CEAwLUJOvo1HzncDIErBOimyQNB+I=; b=tqwlZTQTBlB7FMKwLscVrP+RbH2/S/LNlD8qeJVgC0omPBbCJZpSZPO8qT1NbYq16w AyjzORqKrybce3ooLpvHAvAQapsmFM/q7X6onDwyVMPDeIOIjmSfrkFn0TkT1qNaWUsW mkNLrNdbx+Kmersh3Mgi3m02Gz9W3hApUjK1c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hK6/nKj5LiHpg8HKn/5A2cyAHD0qx7T1ZpM8cm9qWXX6rQbqGj8zhKsEegqwI4XqfG wVq5N6bKdbbItIPNT6//8Bh92SvQGx9apjojwFOwmVYVYDFqjSZ49kJrTyBcfnDcygRa fxOe5TgeRkwa0E0wdGwJunKbIyp93g97NVb18= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.80.4 with SMTP id d4mr1855795agb.62.1244120170359; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 05:56:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300906031835y6527ec5fi9b48af24030597c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300906031835y6527ec5fi9b48af24030597c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:56:10 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560906040556s5952ad01re291874018bb8ed0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: being From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1763 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > How would one express something like "you are being loud"? do ca'o cladu That could also be "you were being loud" or "you will be being loud", so it's not about when but about the ongoingness. > So, how would one express that "you" are not intrinsically, but are > temporarily being "loud"? ca'o somewhat suggests that your being loud has started at some point and will end at some point, although it doesn't explicitly say that, it just says that it is going on. To emphasize the temporariness you would have to say something like: do zasni lo ka cladu For permanent: do vitno lo ka cladu And for intrinsic: do se jinzi lo ka cladu You could also use ZEhAs: do ze'i cladu "you were loud for a little while" do ze'a cladu "you were loud for a while" do ze'u cladu "you were loud for a long time" Those could also be about the present, but it's more difficult to talk about a fixed length of time of something that is currently still going on. And then: do ze'e cladu "you are permanently loud" mu'o mi'e xorxes